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"In China, driverless delivery vans have become a total meme, they plow through crumbling roads, fresh concrete, motorcycles, anything. Nothing stops them."

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[–] 5 points 8 months ago* (7 children)

pretty sure Waymo is cool with not taking safety seriously, though. Profits, amirite?

EDIT: JAYSUS this must be my most edited comment to get right.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    We already accept 3,400 deaths per day from human drivers.

    If autonomous vehicles were to cause one death ever, would they still not be worth pursuing?

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  • [–] -1 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    I never said that, nor implied it. I certainly personally think it's worth pursuit. I was pointing out Waymo was being given a bit of a pass there, and want to remind folks that profit incidentive that ignores or downplays human risk is not at all appealing and shouldn't be given a free pass.

    If Waymo can drive and "only" kills 1% of the equivalent per human miles driven, it's certainly better right? But given that it's a machine with a company that has a profit motive behind it, it's goals need to be lofty. Why not set the bar at zero human deaths as a goal post and work from there? As soon as you say a single death is acceptable, it changes how everyone approaches it and turns into "well, is a second death acceptable?" and that's going to quickly devolve into "what is an acceptable level of death for our profit margin." To be clear, I'm arguing the answer should always be NONE. The alternative is a slippery slope, so I don't want to give anyone a pass.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (4 children)

    The goal is zero, at least stated by some of their competitors. People are just getting bent out of shape when faced with the reality that, inevitably, it'll happen. Due to people being dumb and panicky and terwsistant to change, every implementation needs to demonstrate orders of magnitude more safety than human drivers in order to gain acceptance. This is why rogue companies like Tesla, and compilations of trash like this post, are making the industry look bad.

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  • [–] -1 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    That's most definitely not what's going on here with me personally. I'm not bent out of shape about autonomous driving and demonstrated that largely it's competent and better than most human drivers already. It's already happening. But I appreciate the dumb and panicky shot across the bow. Then the chef's kiss of "trash like this post" claiming I am making the industry look bad. No, please take a look at Waymo leadership. THEY are making the industry look bad. I'm not even against Waymo! They are actually doing heaps better than most and seem viable as a company. Please remember that challenging people to do better doesn't mean you're against them on the whole. Not everyone is 100% against you because they call out one aspect of a post either.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (2 children)

    Why are you are taking all of my replies to be personal attacks? And how are you thinking that you're the OP?

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    Because OP posted this to "Videos" and clearly was meant to be meme material, not necessarily directed at diminishing a whole industry? And you didn't clarify "this post"... sooo yeah, I assumed (what I took as reasonably) that since this is outside a STEM community that you were referring to me. But cool if that was a misunderstanding on my part - my apologies if that was leveled at OP. Thanks for clarifying even if I don't think OP was doing anything other than going for the lols. But maybe I missed some undertow...

    I'll let my other point stand on it's own. I believe whole heartedly we should challenge autonomous driving companies to do the right thing.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    Right, and that's the exact sentiment I was expressing with my original comment about the NHTSA. We can and should expect a safety-first approach, and not just because that's the most important problem that can be solved by autonomous vehicles.

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