▲ 469 ▼ Democrats call for ICE agent in Minneapolis shooting to be prosecuted (thehill.com) submitted 7 months ago by Redditsux@lemmy.world to c/politics@lemmy.world 28 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 87 points 7 months ago (3 children) They need to make sure it's done at the state level, since the demon in the WH will just nullify any outcome and let the murderer get away with it. permalink fedilink source hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Kalothar@lemmy.ca 28 points 7 months ago Agreed, the bar is so low that I’ll be surprised if something is done on any level permalink fedilink source parent [–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 15 points 7 months ago (2 children) Two things - one, can they not have two different prosecutions, one at state and another as a federal felony? And while justice needs to be done, going full out as a federal case and having it dismissed or even pardoned would certainly be more gasoline on a fire that hopefully doesn't go out soon. I'm not for capital punishment, but whatever route it takes, I hope this guy never sees sunlight again. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago* They can charge him with both federal and state crimes that overlap, resulting in trials at both levels, but that's not necessarily the winning strategy, and the interworkings of various agencies when it comes to dual state and federal charges is a complex subject. But for myself, if this guy is charged at the state level I fully expect the DoJ to come in with federal action of some kind very quickly thereafter. Not to prosecute, but to sabotage the state level proceedings. They won't have a choice: in order to continue recruiting for ICE and to keep the thugs they already have on the payroll from quitting, both of which are necessary to continue ramping up domestic unrest so as to impose martial law, they (DHS, DoJ, ICE) have to be seen to insulate their own hires from criminal repercussions. EDITED to add link to the comment of someone who put it more cogently than I just did: https://lemmynsfw.com/comment/15449662 permalink fedilink source parent [–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 3 points 7 months ago (2 children) Personally I am all for vigilante retribution. Ideally he'd be convincted only to get whatever mush constitutes an ICE agents brain boiled due to "faulty" tempature controls in his cell. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 2 points 7 months ago I wish I lived in the area. I'd drive past his house slowly. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 2 points 7 months ago (1 child) Happy little accidents. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor@sh.itjust.works 1 point 7 months ago* People fall through windows every day. permalink fedilink source parent [–] grue@lemmy.world 14 points 7 months ago* (1 child) Minneapolis ICE shooting updates: State denied access to evidence The Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension initially said it was partnering with the FBI to investigate. But state authorities said Thursday they had been notified by the FBI that they would no longer have access to "case materials, scene evidence or investigative interviews." 😡 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago (1 child) If no proper justice is going to happen, I'd be very nervous if I was that murderer. Most especially if his real name is revealed and it's certain that it is the right identity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 13 points 7 months ago (1 child) Most especially if his real name is revealed and it's certain that it is the right identity. "Johnathan Ross," apparently permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago MURDERING Motherfucker! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kalothar@lemmy.ca 28 points 7 months ago Agreed, the bar is so low that I’ll be surprised if something is done on any level permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 15 points 7 months ago (2 children) Two things - one, can they not have two different prosecutions, one at state and another as a federal felony? And while justice needs to be done, going full out as a federal case and having it dismissed or even pardoned would certainly be more gasoline on a fire that hopefully doesn't go out soon. I'm not for capital punishment, but whatever route it takes, I hope this guy never sees sunlight again. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago* They can charge him with both federal and state crimes that overlap, resulting in trials at both levels, but that's not necessarily the winning strategy, and the interworkings of various agencies when it comes to dual state and federal charges is a complex subject. But for myself, if this guy is charged at the state level I fully expect the DoJ to come in with federal action of some kind very quickly thereafter. Not to prosecute, but to sabotage the state level proceedings. They won't have a choice: in order to continue recruiting for ICE and to keep the thugs they already have on the payroll from quitting, both of which are necessary to continue ramping up domestic unrest so as to impose martial law, they (DHS, DoJ, ICE) have to be seen to insulate their own hires from criminal repercussions. EDITED to add link to the comment of someone who put it more cogently than I just did: https://lemmynsfw.com/comment/15449662 permalink fedilink source parent [–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 3 points 7 months ago (2 children) Personally I am all for vigilante retribution. Ideally he'd be convincted only to get whatever mush constitutes an ICE agents brain boiled due to "faulty" tempature controls in his cell. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 2 points 7 months ago I wish I lived in the area. I'd drive past his house slowly. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 2 points 7 months ago (1 child) Happy little accidents. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor@sh.itjust.works 1 point 7 months ago* People fall through windows every day. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago* They can charge him with both federal and state crimes that overlap, resulting in trials at both levels, but that's not necessarily the winning strategy, and the interworkings of various agencies when it comes to dual state and federal charges is a complex subject. But for myself, if this guy is charged at the state level I fully expect the DoJ to come in with federal action of some kind very quickly thereafter. Not to prosecute, but to sabotage the state level proceedings. They won't have a choice: in order to continue recruiting for ICE and to keep the thugs they already have on the payroll from quitting, both of which are necessary to continue ramping up domestic unrest so as to impose martial law, they (DHS, DoJ, ICE) have to be seen to insulate their own hires from criminal repercussions. EDITED to add link to the comment of someone who put it more cogently than I just did: https://lemmynsfw.com/comment/15449662 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 3 points 7 months ago (2 children) Personally I am all for vigilante retribution. Ideally he'd be convincted only to get whatever mush constitutes an ICE agents brain boiled due to "faulty" tempature controls in his cell. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 2 points 7 months ago I wish I lived in the area. I'd drive past his house slowly. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 2 points 7 months ago (1 child) Happy little accidents. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor@sh.itjust.works 1 point 7 months ago* People fall through windows every day. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 2 points 7 months ago I wish I lived in the area. I'd drive past his house slowly. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 2 points 7 months ago (1 child) Happy little accidents. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor@sh.itjust.works 1 point 7 months ago* People fall through windows every day. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor@sh.itjust.works 1 point 7 months ago* People fall through windows every day. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] grue@lemmy.world 14 points 7 months ago* (1 child) Minneapolis ICE shooting updates: State denied access to evidence The Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension initially said it was partnering with the FBI to investigate. But state authorities said Thursday they had been notified by the FBI that they would no longer have access to "case materials, scene evidence or investigative interviews." 😡 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago (1 child) If no proper justice is going to happen, I'd be very nervous if I was that murderer. Most especially if his real name is revealed and it's certain that it is the right identity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 13 points 7 months ago (1 child) Most especially if his real name is revealed and it's certain that it is the right identity. "Johnathan Ross," apparently permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago MURDERING Motherfucker! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago (1 child) If no proper justice is going to happen, I'd be very nervous if I was that murderer. Most especially if his real name is revealed and it's certain that it is the right identity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 13 points 7 months ago (1 child) Most especially if his real name is revealed and it's certain that it is the right identity. "Johnathan Ross," apparently permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago MURDERING Motherfucker! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] grue@lemmy.world 13 points 7 months ago (1 child) Most especially if his real name is revealed and it's certain that it is the right identity. "Johnathan Ross," apparently permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago MURDERING Motherfucker! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago MURDERING Motherfucker! permalink fedilink source parent