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The question of restricting dress in real life and criticism of fictional characters are wildly different. I never said you said I am talking about real women, I said you are conflating these two subjects, which you continue to do. Pin-up girls (such as are painted on bomber jets or whatever) are typically not feminist, and indeed are typically misogynist. Forbidding women from dressing the way pin-up girls do in that art would also be not feminist, and indeed is typically misogynist. This is not a contradiction. I have no problem with women dressing as they want, and I also think the way women are portrayed in media should be scrutinized because of deeply-embedded cultural sexism.
"Why would a communist have tolerance for some kind of 'ruthless criticism of all that exists'?!?"
More seriously, there is a difference between diegetic and non-diegetic sexualization*. The central point I made in my original comment is about non-diegetic sexualization, through the process of choosing which details to remove and which not to in the highly abstract medium of cartooning. Choice of dress would be a diegetic method of sexualizing the character which would much more strongly suggest the characters trying to appear sexually attractive, which I think would make the art more overtly creepy, but that's not the only thing that can possibly be criticized and not especially worth mentioning in the line of criticism that I took (though I humored it with the aside about the US waifu).
*If a decent feminist with media criticism abilities (so not you) would like to contend that sexualization is necessarily non-diegetic and I am therefore talking about sexualizing via character writing vs audience perspective, that's fine.
Do you understand what analogy is? The point I was making is that you can't write off criticism just because someone bad makes a similar criticism. You're being deliberately obtuse just to accuse me of shit.
Sorry I just find it really comedic how you put those two so close together
At that point you probably shouldn't have made the comparison with an incomparable situation about how real women dress and instead just talked about how both racists and communists hate Kamala Harris or something. As it is, the radlib argument and the skullgirl closet-incel argument are basically "the curtains are blue!" "you are basically policing how women present," and the much-beloved classic "it's all in your head".
Did you not see the US waifu? She would have honestly been the best line you had at an actual attempt at refutation instead of just calling me a creep and a liar over and over.
Why shouldn't I say what's true?
There's a block button if you have nothing to say
Oh but I do:
Fuck off creep.
If this is just a last word thing, I can stop. You don't seem to be offering arguments anymore.
Then do it lol.
My argument is that when you look at a ordinary picture of cartoon women and immediately start calling them waifus and talking about their faces being covered in cum and analyzing every detail like they're a slab of meat, the fact that you're trying to position yourself as "anti-horny" and "feminist" doesn't make it true and doesn't make you one bit less of a creep. You're literally posting hornier things than anyone else on the site.
Fuck off before you scare away people who are actually cool and worth welcoming.