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Anon tries to understand credit scores (thelemmy.club)
submitted 8 months ago by [M] to c/greentext@sh.itjust.works
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[–] 0 points 8 months ago (12 children)

How do you think "social credit" would be handled if the US were a socialist/communist country?

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  • [+] 1 point 8 months ago (10 children)
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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    Credit score bad. Next.

    I started paying cash for everything about 30 years ago. Haven't needed my credit score since so I froze my credit score access. There have been no downsides.

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  • [–] -1 points 8 months ago (8 children)

    Credit score bad. Next.

    Nah, it's good for me to know the risk before I lend to someone. Only bad borrowers are against their reputation re repayment history not being public.

    Without credit scores, nepotism and bigotry are what decides who gets loans, since lenders will have nothing but 'vibes' to go off of. No thanks.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    Huh?

    In my country there's debt registries (that you can only be put into when you're late enough on a payment) and lenders will usually ask you for proof of income and list of obligations, or account statements for the last 6 months, to determine if you're capable of paying back.

    The disadvantage is, they'll see your account statements. The advantage is, you don't have to have a credit card, or any sort of debt, to build credit. You don't need credit history. If your income is high enough and your expenses are noticeably lower than your income, and you don't have an outstanding debt registry entry, you're eligible for a loan.

    Our mortgage delinquency rates are lower than in the US. And home ownership rates are pretty high so it seems people are getting mortgages no problem

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (5 children)

    In my country there’s debt registries (that you can only be put into when you’re late enough on a payment) and lenders will usually ask you for proof of income and list of obligations, or account statements for the last 6 months, to determine if you’re capable of paying back.

    So you have a system that's only different than the US's in the minutia—fundamentally, it's still lenders using information from the to-be borrower's past to try and determine how risky it is to lend to them.

    Which is what the person I was replying to is saying is a bad thing for lenders to have access to. Your country's debt registries are functionally equivalent to negative marks on a US credit report, so I think you're actually more on my 'side' here than the person I replied to.

    If your income is high enough and your expenses are noticeably lower than your income, and you don’t have an outstanding debt registry entry, you’re eligible for a loan.

    This doesn't protect lenders from people who are plenty capable of handling a debt with the income they have, but don't, because they're irresponsible with that income. But that may be more of an issue in the US than in your country overall, culturally.

    Our mortgage delinquency rates are lower than in the US.

    What's your rate, if you don't want to reveal your country of residence directly? I'm curious of the gap, and also want to make sure you're not using figures from around the 2008 scandal (primarily caused by a bunch of lenders giving mortgages to people who shouldn't have qualified); It's 1.78% in the US presently.

    And home ownership rates are pretty high

    Define "pretty high", so I can get a better idea; it's 65% in the US presently, for reference.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (4 children)

    If you've never fallen behind, or it's been over 5 years since you paid off your delinquent debts, there's no record. There's no need to play around for a good credit score.

    The country is Estonia. Mortgage delinquency rates are 0.17% over 60 days late as of last year.

    Home ownership rate is about 80% and a lot of those are mortgaged.

    There are good reasons to avoid delinquency. The bailiffs can get your bank accounts even in other EU countries arrested if you keep refusing to pay. Also the debt registry system is fairly effective. You won't be getting any major credit for at least 5 years once you're in on it.

    Banks are also willing to work with people on alternative payment schedules if they get in trouble. I'd wager that saves everyone involved some money and time too.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (3 children)

    If you’ve never fallen behind, or it’s been over 5 years since you paid off your delinquent debts, there’s no record.

    It's kind of similar in the US, negative things are gone 7 years later, regardless of whether they were resolved.

    The country is Estonia. Mortgage delinquency rates are 0.17% over 60 days late as of last year. Home ownership rate is about 80% and a lot of those are mortgaged.

    I'm seeing about 20% of homeowners having mortgages in Estonia, I wouldn't call 1 in 5 a lot. It's more like 60% in the US.

    Also reading up on this, it looks like some post Soviet-era policies gave a lot of people the ability to buy their homes outright for a fraction of the cost in the 90s, so it seems a lot of what you're saying is the result of inertia from that. From what I read, it also seems Estonians are more likely than Americans to 'live within their means' as well, being much more averse in general to going into debt. That's definitely going to contribute to that low delinquency rate.

    There are good reasons to avoid delinquency. The bailiffs can get your bank accounts even in other EU countries arrested if you keep refusing to pay. Also the debt registry system is fairly effective. You won’t be getting any major credit for at least 5 years once you’re in on it.

    This all sounds pretty similar to how it is in the US.

    Banks are also willing to work with people on alternative payment schedules if they get in trouble. I’d wager that saves everyone involved some money and time too.

    This is also true in the US.

    Overall, from what I'm seeing, I don't think any of the significant differences you've mentioned between Estonia and the US can be chalked up to how our credit score system works versus how it is there—you honestly describe a very similar system, and there are much more obvious reasons for the differences that I saw in the bit of research I did.

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    The major difference is that you don't need to be building credit history to own a home. How do you get a mortgage in the US if you've never had ANY credit before?

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    How do you get a mortgage in the US if you’ve never had ANY credit before?

    You could have googled this in less time than it took you to ask the question.

    https://www.experian.com/blogs/ask-experian/can-you-get-a-mortgage-with-no-credit/

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago

    To take part in manual underwriting, you'll need to provide the following information:

    • History of regular housing and other payments to creditors, such as cellphone providers, utility companies and landlords
    • Bank account statements to demonstrate cash savings
    • Two years' worth of tax returns
    • Proof of employment, such as a verification letter from your employer, that applies to the previous two years
    • Prior 30 days' worth of pay stubs
    • Verification of self-employment income, such as tax and other financial documentation
    • Financial and credit information for a cosigner with good credit, if you have one, which could help strengthen your application

    That sounds hella invasive. The banks get nowhere near as much info here unless you use a bank you already have an account in, in which case they have access to that account's information. Otherwise standard is 6 months of data.

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