Boiling lobsters while they are alive and conscious will be banned as part of a government strategy to improve animal welfare in England.

Government ministers say that “live boiling is not an acceptable killing method” for crustaceans and alternative guidance will be published.

The practice is already illegal in Switzerland, Norway and New Zealand. Animal welfare charities say that stunning lobsters with an electric gun or chilling them in cold air or ice before boiling them is more humane.

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[–] 17 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Have you ever seen felines hunting? They are fucking psychos by your standards.

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    In case you didn't know, we are animals.

    We should always keep that in mind and stop pretending "being human" is some universal thing.

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    To be very crass, animals also rape other animals, and I hope to god that you will not use "but we are animals" as an argument there as well.

    We are different from other animals in that we are moral agents. We can know the difference between good and bad. That makes us responsible to act upon that difference, too.

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    You think very lowly of other animals if you think they have no morals, or no discerning of good and bad.

    Or are you valuing your specific moral more than theirs? Because that's a very classic specist reasoning, with no basis whatsoever except human arrogance.

    Also, humans rape other humans too, so how do you justify this? Are rapists not moral agents? You consider them beasts, different animals than yourself?

    Then what makes a human a human, what makes them the moral agent you talk about? Is it the respect of the law? Is it a particular neurological state?

    More importantly, do you really need this sort of validation to be "good"? Do you need to believe that you are different? That you have a responsibility? That you are "better" than other animals?

    Are you not capable of being equally "good" even knowing that morals are relative? That there is no actual universal good? That you have nothing more than other animals?

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    I don't know what sort of gotcha you're trying to make. Yes those humans are immoral moral actors.

    And also, no, I do not adhere to moral relativism, that is a position I outright reject. I definitively think that there are moral positions more "correct" than others. That is your position. Not mine.

    Does that make me "better" than other animals? "Better" in what sense, though? Better in terms of discerning right from wrong and able to think about these abstract concepts? Yes. Abstract thinking is something that humans are quite uniquely better at, as far as we know. Better as in having more moral value, though? No I would not say so. If an animal has capacity for suffering, then that animal has a moral worth. And we should avoid causing it suffering if possible.

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    Cats are neither human, nor do they boil their kills just because they can. Cats kill, yes. Cats are murderous little fuckers, yes.

    However the issue the above poster is talking about isn't about killing of whatever. Or about eating meat. Their point was about doing it in as humane a way as possible.

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    I said felines by the way, so cats AND all others too.

    Have you ever seen lions hunting their prey and eating it from its ass while it is still trying to run away?

    Or playing with their prey before eventually strangling it?

    That's their way of doing it, it's gruesome but it's fine.

    We have our own ways of doing it too, some methods are even considerably more painless than others.

    Also you should note your own use of "humane", that's a key point there. All this talk is just human specist nonsense.

    Last but not least, I could even argue (as a human) that it's ridiculous to judge what killing method is acceptable (and even what is acceptable to eat) based on things like pain, or having a nervous system.

    FUCK YOU AND YOUR SPECIST CRINGE ARGUMENTS! Killing a human, a lobster, a mosquito or a tomato plant is just killing, no matter what lies you tell yourself.

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    There's some kind of wisdom and (albeit self-serving) kindness to how felines kill things (sometimes). Whereby they get their prey to settle into their fate, and calm down, before they go in for the kill. Seemingly because all that adrenaline and muscle tension makes the meat taste worse, and impairs their mood and feels after eating it.

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