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[–] Talaraine@fedia.io 36 points 10 months ago (15 children) Gaming on Linux works now. I play every game I care for. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] phanto@lemmy.ca 22 points 10 months ago (9 children) Gaming on Linux is superior, on a lot of games! I dual booted and ran benchmarks on Windows 11 and Fedora, same hardware. Ran nothing but the OS and Steam in the background, (gaming mode on and off), oddly found better performance with gaming mode off, then tried the same thing with Fedora. 5-10% higher framerates in Fedora running Proton. Tried the same thing with synched Firefox tabs, half a dozen open tabs, telegram and discord running. Fedora sometimes hit 15% higher framerates. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (7 children) Are you on an AMD card? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] phanto@lemmy.ca 3 points 10 months ago (5 children) I have a Ryzen CPU with onboard graphics and then an Nvidia 3060ti mobile. Rpmfusion drivers in Linux and Nvidia experience in Windows. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago* (4 children) Interesting! Theoretically, that (Nvidia graphics + IGP display out) is the worst case scenario for Linux. I used to get worse performance on my 3090, but it’s been awhile. I will have to try again. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] phanto@lemmy.ca 2 points 10 months ago (3 children) I've been gaming almost exclusively in Linux since roughly start of COVID. It's come a long way. I am this close to VR on Fedora, but it's still not quite working. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago* (2 children) Out of curiosity, what games do you see any gains in, and at approximately what settings? And if I come across as skeptical, that’s not my intent at all. I’m interested! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] phanto@lemmy.ca 1 point 10 months ago (1 child) For me, the most noticeable gain was in Monster Hunter World, but it was what I ran the tests on. I also played a lot of Earth Defense Force 5 and Genshin Impact. GI was always finnicky to get running. MHW did take longer to launch, and the new Monster Hunter Wild takes obnoxiously long to launch on first run after an update. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago* That’s particularly interesting. MH is notorious for being unoptimized, right? Maybe DXVK and the sane linux scheduling is working wonders there. I use DXVK in Windows, on rare occasions, and the gains can be pretty dramatic in (for instance) janky DX9 games. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago* I have a 3080ti and it runs better on popos/cachyos vs windows 10. Never tried windows 11 on it though. permalink fedilink source parent [–] its_kim_love@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 10 months ago Yeah I've been playing Elden Ring with no crashes since switching to Mint. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TommySoda@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago* (4 children) The only problem is some anticheats and older games. Whenever the boys and I wanna play Battlefield I gotta switch to Windows, but besides that it's basically fine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 10 months ago A lot of older games run better on Linux. Lots of older games that don't even work on Windows anymore permalink fedilink source parent [+] elbarto777@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Tonava@sopuli.xyz 4 points 10 months ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] addie@feddit.uk 3 points 10 months ago To an extent, yes. The oldest Windows game that I'd still probably want to play legitimately is probably Thief: The Dark Project, from 1998. It was made for DirectX version 6. Naturally, it will just not run on modern systems, Windows or Linux. There are patches that bring it to DX9. It has an internal frame rate limiter to something weird, 90 fps or something. The weakest machine I have available can push that about at 4K while apparently still in full energy saving mode. Proton's DX9 emulation is apparently a bit rough, but most of the DX9 games you'd want to emulate are just fine with 'brute force'. There's a couple of problematic games - CS:GO, for instance - where the efficiency matters. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] phanto@lemmy.ca 22 points 10 months ago (9 children) Gaming on Linux is superior, on a lot of games! I dual booted and ran benchmarks on Windows 11 and Fedora, same hardware. Ran nothing but the OS and Steam in the background, (gaming mode on and off), oddly found better performance with gaming mode off, then tried the same thing with Fedora. 5-10% higher framerates in Fedora running Proton. Tried the same thing with synched Firefox tabs, half a dozen open tabs, telegram and discord running. Fedora sometimes hit 15% higher framerates. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (7 children) Are you on an AMD card? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] phanto@lemmy.ca 3 points 10 months ago (5 children) I have a Ryzen CPU with onboard graphics and then an Nvidia 3060ti mobile. Rpmfusion drivers in Linux and Nvidia experience in Windows. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago* (4 children) Interesting! Theoretically, that (Nvidia graphics + IGP display out) is the worst case scenario for Linux. I used to get worse performance on my 3090, but it’s been awhile. I will have to try again. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] phanto@lemmy.ca 2 points 10 months ago (3 children) I've been gaming almost exclusively in Linux since roughly start of COVID. It's come a long way. I am this close to VR on Fedora, but it's still not quite working. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago* (2 children) Out of curiosity, what games do you see any gains in, and at approximately what settings? And if I come across as skeptical, that’s not my intent at all. I’m interested! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] phanto@lemmy.ca 1 point 10 months ago (1 child) For me, the most noticeable gain was in Monster Hunter World, but it was what I ran the tests on. I also played a lot of Earth Defense Force 5 and Genshin Impact. GI was always finnicky to get running. MHW did take longer to launch, and the new Monster Hunter Wild takes obnoxiously long to launch on first run after an update. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago* That’s particularly interesting. MH is notorious for being unoptimized, right? Maybe DXVK and the sane linux scheduling is working wonders there. I use DXVK in Windows, on rare occasions, and the gains can be pretty dramatic in (for instance) janky DX9 games. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago* I have a 3080ti and it runs better on popos/cachyos vs windows 10. Never tried windows 11 on it though. permalink fedilink source parent [–] its_kim_love@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 10 months ago Yeah I've been playing Elden Ring with no crashes since switching to Mint. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (7 children) Are you on an AMD card? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] phanto@lemmy.ca 3 points 10 months ago (5 children) I have a Ryzen CPU with onboard graphics and then an Nvidia 3060ti mobile. Rpmfusion drivers in Linux and Nvidia experience in Windows. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago* (4 children) Interesting! Theoretically, that (Nvidia graphics + IGP display out) is the worst case scenario for Linux. I used to get worse performance on my 3090, but it’s been awhile. I will have to try again. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] phanto@lemmy.ca 2 points 10 months ago (3 children) I've been gaming almost exclusively in Linux since roughly start of COVID. It's come a long way. I am this close to VR on Fedora, but it's still not quite working. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago* (2 children) Out of curiosity, what games do you see any gains in, and at approximately what settings? And if I come across as skeptical, that’s not my intent at all. I’m interested! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] phanto@lemmy.ca 1 point 10 months ago (1 child) For me, the most noticeable gain was in Monster Hunter World, but it was what I ran the tests on. I also played a lot of Earth Defense Force 5 and Genshin Impact. GI was always finnicky to get running. MHW did take longer to launch, and the new Monster Hunter Wild takes obnoxiously long to launch on first run after an update. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago* That’s particularly interesting. MH is notorious for being unoptimized, right? Maybe DXVK and the sane linux scheduling is working wonders there. I use DXVK in Windows, on rare occasions, and the gains can be pretty dramatic in (for instance) janky DX9 games. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago* I have a 3080ti and it runs better on popos/cachyos vs windows 10. Never tried windows 11 on it though. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] phanto@lemmy.ca 3 points 10 months ago (5 children) I have a Ryzen CPU with onboard graphics and then an Nvidia 3060ti mobile. Rpmfusion drivers in Linux and Nvidia experience in Windows. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago* (4 children) Interesting! Theoretically, that (Nvidia graphics + IGP display out) is the worst case scenario for Linux. I used to get worse performance on my 3090, but it’s been awhile. I will have to try again. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] phanto@lemmy.ca 2 points 10 months ago (3 children) I've been gaming almost exclusively in Linux since roughly start of COVID. It's come a long way. I am this close to VR on Fedora, but it's still not quite working. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago* (2 children) Out of curiosity, what games do you see any gains in, and at approximately what settings? And if I come across as skeptical, that’s not my intent at all. I’m interested! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] phanto@lemmy.ca 1 point 10 months ago (1 child) For me, the most noticeable gain was in Monster Hunter World, but it was what I ran the tests on. I also played a lot of Earth Defense Force 5 and Genshin Impact. GI was always finnicky to get running. MHW did take longer to launch, and the new Monster Hunter Wild takes obnoxiously long to launch on first run after an update. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago* That’s particularly interesting. MH is notorious for being unoptimized, right? Maybe DXVK and the sane linux scheduling is working wonders there. I use DXVK in Windows, on rare occasions, and the gains can be pretty dramatic in (for instance) janky DX9 games. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago* (4 children) Interesting! Theoretically, that (Nvidia graphics + IGP display out) is the worst case scenario for Linux. I used to get worse performance on my 3090, but it’s been awhile. I will have to try again. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] phanto@lemmy.ca 2 points 10 months ago (3 children) I've been gaming almost exclusively in Linux since roughly start of COVID. It's come a long way. I am this close to VR on Fedora, but it's still not quite working. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago* (2 children) Out of curiosity, what games do you see any gains in, and at approximately what settings? And if I come across as skeptical, that’s not my intent at all. I’m interested! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] phanto@lemmy.ca 1 point 10 months ago (1 child) For me, the most noticeable gain was in Monster Hunter World, but it was what I ran the tests on. I also played a lot of Earth Defense Force 5 and Genshin Impact. GI was always finnicky to get running. MHW did take longer to launch, and the new Monster Hunter Wild takes obnoxiously long to launch on first run after an update. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago* That’s particularly interesting. MH is notorious for being unoptimized, right? Maybe DXVK and the sane linux scheduling is working wonders there. I use DXVK in Windows, on rare occasions, and the gains can be pretty dramatic in (for instance) janky DX9 games. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] phanto@lemmy.ca 2 points 10 months ago (3 children) I've been gaming almost exclusively in Linux since roughly start of COVID. It's come a long way. I am this close to VR on Fedora, but it's still not quite working. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago* (2 children) Out of curiosity, what games do you see any gains in, and at approximately what settings? And if I come across as skeptical, that’s not my intent at all. I’m interested! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] phanto@lemmy.ca 1 point 10 months ago (1 child) For me, the most noticeable gain was in Monster Hunter World, but it was what I ran the tests on. I also played a lot of Earth Defense Force 5 and Genshin Impact. GI was always finnicky to get running. MHW did take longer to launch, and the new Monster Hunter Wild takes obnoxiously long to launch on first run after an update. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago* That’s particularly interesting. MH is notorious for being unoptimized, right? Maybe DXVK and the sane linux scheduling is working wonders there. I use DXVK in Windows, on rare occasions, and the gains can be pretty dramatic in (for instance) janky DX9 games. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago* (2 children) Out of curiosity, what games do you see any gains in, and at approximately what settings? And if I come across as skeptical, that’s not my intent at all. I’m interested! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] phanto@lemmy.ca 1 point 10 months ago (1 child) For me, the most noticeable gain was in Monster Hunter World, but it was what I ran the tests on. I also played a lot of Earth Defense Force 5 and Genshin Impact. GI was always finnicky to get running. MHW did take longer to launch, and the new Monster Hunter Wild takes obnoxiously long to launch on first run after an update. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago* That’s particularly interesting. MH is notorious for being unoptimized, right? Maybe DXVK and the sane linux scheduling is working wonders there. I use DXVK in Windows, on rare occasions, and the gains can be pretty dramatic in (for instance) janky DX9 games. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] phanto@lemmy.ca 1 point 10 months ago (1 child) For me, the most noticeable gain was in Monster Hunter World, but it was what I ran the tests on. I also played a lot of Earth Defense Force 5 and Genshin Impact. GI was always finnicky to get running. MHW did take longer to launch, and the new Monster Hunter Wild takes obnoxiously long to launch on first run after an update. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago* That’s particularly interesting. MH is notorious for being unoptimized, right? Maybe DXVK and the sane linux scheduling is working wonders there. I use DXVK in Windows, on rare occasions, and the gains can be pretty dramatic in (for instance) janky DX9 games. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago* That’s particularly interesting. MH is notorious for being unoptimized, right? Maybe DXVK and the sane linux scheduling is working wonders there. I use DXVK in Windows, on rare occasions, and the gains can be pretty dramatic in (for instance) janky DX9 games. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago* I have a 3080ti and it runs better on popos/cachyos vs windows 10. Never tried windows 11 on it though. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] its_kim_love@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 10 months ago Yeah I've been playing Elden Ring with no crashes since switching to Mint. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TommySoda@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago* (4 children) The only problem is some anticheats and older games. Whenever the boys and I wanna play Battlefield I gotta switch to Windows, but besides that it's basically fine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 10 months ago A lot of older games run better on Linux. Lots of older games that don't even work on Windows anymore permalink fedilink source parent [+] elbarto777@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Tonava@sopuli.xyz 4 points 10 months ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] addie@feddit.uk 3 points 10 months ago To an extent, yes. The oldest Windows game that I'd still probably want to play legitimately is probably Thief: The Dark Project, from 1998. It was made for DirectX version 6. Naturally, it will just not run on modern systems, Windows or Linux. There are patches that bring it to DX9. It has an internal frame rate limiter to something weird, 90 fps or something. The weakest machine I have available can push that about at 4K while apparently still in full energy saving mode. Proton's DX9 emulation is apparently a bit rough, but most of the DX9 games you'd want to emulate are just fine with 'brute force'. There's a couple of problematic games - CS:GO, for instance - where the efficiency matters. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 10 months ago A lot of older games run better on Linux. Lots of older games that don't even work on Windows anymore permalink fedilink source parent
[+] elbarto777@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Tonava@sopuli.xyz 4 points 10 months ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] addie@feddit.uk 3 points 10 months ago To an extent, yes. The oldest Windows game that I'd still probably want to play legitimately is probably Thief: The Dark Project, from 1998. It was made for DirectX version 6. Naturally, it will just not run on modern systems, Windows or Linux. There are patches that bring it to DX9. It has an internal frame rate limiter to something weird, 90 fps or something. The weakest machine I have available can push that about at 4K while apparently still in full energy saving mode. Proton's DX9 emulation is apparently a bit rough, but most of the DX9 games you'd want to emulate are just fine with 'brute force'. There's a couple of problematic games - CS:GO, for instance - where the efficiency matters. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] addie@feddit.uk 3 points 10 months ago To an extent, yes. The oldest Windows game that I'd still probably want to play legitimately is probably Thief: The Dark Project, from 1998. It was made for DirectX version 6. Naturally, it will just not run on modern systems, Windows or Linux. There are patches that bring it to DX9. It has an internal frame rate limiter to something weird, 90 fps or something. The weakest machine I have available can push that about at 4K while apparently still in full energy saving mode. Proton's DX9 emulation is apparently a bit rough, but most of the DX9 games you'd want to emulate are just fine with 'brute force'. There's a couple of problematic games - CS:GO, for instance - where the efficiency matters. permalink fedilink source parent