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[–] 1 point 10 months ago (2 children)

I think this is the source of our disagreement. In my mind, the word "give" has at most a mild connotation of volition.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (1 child)

    Interesting. So like whats the dividing line between 'being given something' and 'taking something'?

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

    For me, you can't use 'give' if there was no action on the giver's behalf, but coerced action counts as action. Same with take -- you 'take' something only if you're capable of a 'take' action. So if you're in a coma, you can't 'take' anything offered to you (except in idiomatic phrases where action on the taker isn't expected, e.g. "to take abuse").

    This is why I seriously believe that OP's image is controversial more do to a difference in our linguistic understanding of the word "give" than do to a differing understanding of the facts.

    Edit: I think what may be happening here is the so-called "non-central" fallacy.

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