▲ 481 ▼ We did (thelemmy.club) submitted 10 months ago by LadyButterfly@piefed.blahaj.zone to c/witchesvspatriarchy@lemmy.ca 62 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 10 months ago* (3 children) Giving something at gunpoint isnt really giving it. That thing is being taken. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] jaselle@lemmy.ca 1 point 10 months ago (2 children) I think this is the source of our disagreement. In my mind, the word "give" has at most a mild connotation of volition. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 10 months ago (1 child) Interesting. So like whats the dividing line between 'being given something' and 'taking something'? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] jaselle@lemmy.ca 1 point 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) For me, you can't use 'give' if there was no action on the giver's behalf, but coerced action counts as action. Same with take -- you 'take' something only if you're capable of a 'take' action. So if you're in a coma, you can't 'take' anything offered to you (except in idiomatic phrases where action on the taker isn't expected, e.g. "to take abuse"). This is why I seriously believe that OP's image is controversial more do to a difference in our linguistic understanding of the word "give" than do to a differing understanding of the facts. Edit: I think what may be happening here is the so-called "non-central" fallacy. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jaselle@lemmy.ca 1 point 10 months ago (2 children) I think this is the source of our disagreement. In my mind, the word "give" has at most a mild connotation of volition. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 10 months ago (1 child) Interesting. So like whats the dividing line between 'being given something' and 'taking something'? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] jaselle@lemmy.ca 1 point 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) For me, you can't use 'give' if there was no action on the giver's behalf, but coerced action counts as action. Same with take -- you 'take' something only if you're capable of a 'take' action. So if you're in a coma, you can't 'take' anything offered to you (except in idiomatic phrases where action on the taker isn't expected, e.g. "to take abuse"). This is why I seriously believe that OP's image is controversial more do to a difference in our linguistic understanding of the word "give" than do to a differing understanding of the facts. Edit: I think what may be happening here is the so-called "non-central" fallacy. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 10 months ago (1 child) Interesting. So like whats the dividing line between 'being given something' and 'taking something'? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] jaselle@lemmy.ca 1 point 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) For me, you can't use 'give' if there was no action on the giver's behalf, but coerced action counts as action. Same with take -- you 'take' something only if you're capable of a 'take' action. So if you're in a coma, you can't 'take' anything offered to you (except in idiomatic phrases where action on the taker isn't expected, e.g. "to take abuse"). This is why I seriously believe that OP's image is controversial more do to a difference in our linguistic understanding of the word "give" than do to a differing understanding of the facts. Edit: I think what may be happening here is the so-called "non-central" fallacy. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jaselle@lemmy.ca 1 point 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) For me, you can't use 'give' if there was no action on the giver's behalf, but coerced action counts as action. Same with take -- you 'take' something only if you're capable of a 'take' action. So if you're in a coma, you can't 'take' anything offered to you (except in idiomatic phrases where action on the taker isn't expected, e.g. "to take abuse"). This is why I seriously believe that OP's image is controversial more do to a difference in our linguistic understanding of the word "give" than do to a differing understanding of the facts. Edit: I think what may be happening here is the so-called "non-central" fallacy. permalink fedilink source parent