God this guy is insufferable. Alec knows prison abolition and 'defund' movements inside and out. Lays out clear arguments and actual research on the subject. Then Stoller just says "I don't believe you" and "my vibes tell me I'm right".

Alec is super knowledgeable on this subject and it's great to him and Briahna expound on the subject and offer strategies for moving forward.

Hate listen if you'd like (it is actually informative), at your own peril