▲ 212 ▼ Chat Control approved: Certain EU countries will see your private messages. Is yours on the list? (euroweeklynews.com) submitted 9 months ago by pylapp@programming.dev to c/privacy@lemmy.ml 90 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] E_coli42@lemmy.world -1 points 9 months ago (4 children) just use signal permalink fedilink source hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] dontblink@feddit.it 6 points 9 months ago (2 children) Xmpp, IRC, Matrix, all great decentralized alternatives, but good luck convincing people in contacting you on Xmpp... This problem is a problem because it's a social tendency, not because we don't have alternatives.. Very sadly... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] E_coli42@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago This is definitely the biggest barrier. I'm not sure what the proper solution is. Probably needs government backing. Ive convinced a decent chunk of my friends to message me on Signal by simply being unresponsive on WhatsApp lol. It's much harder to get people to use Matrix instead of Discord though... permalink fedilink source parent [–] visnudeva@lemmy.ml -1 points 9 months ago (1 child) XMPP is great but my wife hates it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CleoCommunist@lemmy.ml 0 points 9 months ago* (1 child) Hi Sorry can i ask what Is XMPP? Btw as a secure messgaing app i use simplex, mabye i Will look into matrix permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] visnudeva@lemmy.ml 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) It’s an open, decentralized protocol used for real-time messaging, so you can find many apps using this protocol, on android there is conversations which is very light and modern, just choose a pseudo and chat, no other registration, it is a paid app on the app store but free on fdroid. I also used simplex before but it didn't work well enough, the video calls were laggy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CleoCommunist@lemmy.ml 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) What client do you suggest? I know It depends on the situation, but overall generally what would you suggest? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] visnudeva@lemmy.ml 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) As I said as a client I suggest *conversations" on android to download from fdroid to get the free version. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CleoCommunist@lemmy.ml 1 point 9 months ago Oki thanks permalink fedilink source parent [–] slazer2au@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago (2 children) And when they pull out of Europe because they won't comply? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] JoeKrogan@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (2 children) It is available in fdroid permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] JoeKrogan@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) I dont see fdroid blocking the app. I think signal is in the guardian project repos. Anyway a repo can just be hosted in switzerland or on tor or something. I would be more worried about govenments blocking access to the signal servers. All this theatre in the name of protecting kids, Yet the pedo formally known as prince andrew is still walking free. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mybuttnolie@sopuli.xyz 0 points 9 months ago (1 child) won't help when their servers block access from EU permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] obamakitten@lemmy.ml -1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] XTL@sopuli.xyz 0 points 9 months ago (1 child) They probably drink water, too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] obamakitten@lemmy.ml 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Gutek8134@lemmy.world 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) Write your own E2E encrypted peer-to-peer chat app (nobody has got time for that) or use some that doesn't care about the law (pretty risky if it's not open source, I doubt they'll survive for long in the open), I guess permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] sleen@lemmy.zip 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] CleoCommunist@lemmy.ml 1 point 9 months ago Ita not said they wont comply with eh standards permalink fedilink source parent [–] bjrn@feddit.nl 1 point 9 months ago Or Molly (alternative and more secure FOSS Android app for Signal), or Session or SimpleX. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dontblink@feddit.it 6 points 9 months ago (2 children) Xmpp, IRC, Matrix, all great decentralized alternatives, but good luck convincing people in contacting you on Xmpp... This problem is a problem because it's a social tendency, not because we don't have alternatives.. Very sadly... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] E_coli42@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago This is definitely the biggest barrier. I'm not sure what the proper solution is. Probably needs government backing. Ive convinced a decent chunk of my friends to message me on Signal by simply being unresponsive on WhatsApp lol. It's much harder to get people to use Matrix instead of Discord though... permalink fedilink source parent [–] visnudeva@lemmy.ml -1 points 9 months ago (1 child) XMPP is great but my wife hates it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CleoCommunist@lemmy.ml 0 points 9 months ago* (1 child) Hi Sorry can i ask what Is XMPP? Btw as a secure messgaing app i use simplex, mabye i Will look into matrix permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] visnudeva@lemmy.ml 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) It’s an open, decentralized protocol used for real-time messaging, so you can find many apps using this protocol, on android there is conversations which is very light and modern, just choose a pseudo and chat, no other registration, it is a paid app on the app store but free on fdroid. I also used simplex before but it didn't work well enough, the video calls were laggy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CleoCommunist@lemmy.ml 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) What client do you suggest? I know It depends on the situation, but overall generally what would you suggest? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] visnudeva@lemmy.ml 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) As I said as a client I suggest *conversations" on android to download from fdroid to get the free version. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CleoCommunist@lemmy.ml 1 point 9 months ago Oki thanks permalink fedilink source parent
[–] E_coli42@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago This is definitely the biggest barrier. I'm not sure what the proper solution is. Probably needs government backing. Ive convinced a decent chunk of my friends to message me on Signal by simply being unresponsive on WhatsApp lol. It's much harder to get people to use Matrix instead of Discord though... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] visnudeva@lemmy.ml -1 points 9 months ago (1 child) XMPP is great but my wife hates it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CleoCommunist@lemmy.ml 0 points 9 months ago* (1 child) Hi Sorry can i ask what Is XMPP? Btw as a secure messgaing app i use simplex, mabye i Will look into matrix permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] visnudeva@lemmy.ml 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) It’s an open, decentralized protocol used for real-time messaging, so you can find many apps using this protocol, on android there is conversations which is very light and modern, just choose a pseudo and chat, no other registration, it is a paid app on the app store but free on fdroid. I also used simplex before but it didn't work well enough, the video calls were laggy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CleoCommunist@lemmy.ml 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) What client do you suggest? I know It depends on the situation, but overall generally what would you suggest? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] visnudeva@lemmy.ml 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) As I said as a client I suggest *conversations" on android to download from fdroid to get the free version. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CleoCommunist@lemmy.ml 1 point 9 months ago Oki thanks permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CleoCommunist@lemmy.ml 0 points 9 months ago* (1 child) Hi Sorry can i ask what Is XMPP? Btw as a secure messgaing app i use simplex, mabye i Will look into matrix permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] visnudeva@lemmy.ml 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) It’s an open, decentralized protocol used for real-time messaging, so you can find many apps using this protocol, on android there is conversations which is very light and modern, just choose a pseudo and chat, no other registration, it is a paid app on the app store but free on fdroid. I also used simplex before but it didn't work well enough, the video calls were laggy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CleoCommunist@lemmy.ml 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) What client do you suggest? I know It depends on the situation, but overall generally what would you suggest? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] visnudeva@lemmy.ml 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) As I said as a client I suggest *conversations" on android to download from fdroid to get the free version. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CleoCommunist@lemmy.ml 1 point 9 months ago Oki thanks permalink fedilink source parent
[–] visnudeva@lemmy.ml 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) It’s an open, decentralized protocol used for real-time messaging, so you can find many apps using this protocol, on android there is conversations which is very light and modern, just choose a pseudo and chat, no other registration, it is a paid app on the app store but free on fdroid. I also used simplex before but it didn't work well enough, the video calls were laggy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CleoCommunist@lemmy.ml 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) What client do you suggest? I know It depends on the situation, but overall generally what would you suggest? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] visnudeva@lemmy.ml 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) As I said as a client I suggest *conversations" on android to download from fdroid to get the free version. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CleoCommunist@lemmy.ml 1 point 9 months ago Oki thanks permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CleoCommunist@lemmy.ml 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) What client do you suggest? I know It depends on the situation, but overall generally what would you suggest? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] visnudeva@lemmy.ml 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) As I said as a client I suggest *conversations" on android to download from fdroid to get the free version. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CleoCommunist@lemmy.ml 1 point 9 months ago Oki thanks permalink fedilink source parent
[–] visnudeva@lemmy.ml 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) As I said as a client I suggest *conversations" on android to download from fdroid to get the free version. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CleoCommunist@lemmy.ml 1 point 9 months ago Oki thanks permalink fedilink source parent
[–] slazer2au@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago (2 children) And when they pull out of Europe because they won't comply? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] JoeKrogan@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (2 children) It is available in fdroid permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] JoeKrogan@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) I dont see fdroid blocking the app. I think signal is in the guardian project repos. Anyway a repo can just be hosted in switzerland or on tor or something. I would be more worried about govenments blocking access to the signal servers. All this theatre in the name of protecting kids, Yet the pedo formally known as prince andrew is still walking free. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mybuttnolie@sopuli.xyz 0 points 9 months ago (1 child) won't help when their servers block access from EU permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] obamakitten@lemmy.ml -1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] XTL@sopuli.xyz 0 points 9 months ago (1 child) They probably drink water, too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] obamakitten@lemmy.ml 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Gutek8134@lemmy.world 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) Write your own E2E encrypted peer-to-peer chat app (nobody has got time for that) or use some that doesn't care about the law (pretty risky if it's not open source, I doubt they'll survive for long in the open), I guess permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] sleen@lemmy.zip 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JoeKrogan@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (2 children) It is available in fdroid permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] JoeKrogan@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) I dont see fdroid blocking the app. I think signal is in the guardian project repos. Anyway a repo can just be hosted in switzerland or on tor or something. I would be more worried about govenments blocking access to the signal servers. All this theatre in the name of protecting kids, Yet the pedo formally known as prince andrew is still walking free. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mybuttnolie@sopuli.xyz 0 points 9 months ago (1 child) won't help when their servers block access from EU permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] obamakitten@lemmy.ml -1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] XTL@sopuli.xyz 0 points 9 months ago (1 child) They probably drink water, too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] obamakitten@lemmy.ml 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JoeKrogan@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) I dont see fdroid blocking the app. I think signal is in the guardian project repos. Anyway a repo can just be hosted in switzerland or on tor or something. I would be more worried about govenments blocking access to the signal servers. All this theatre in the name of protecting kids, Yet the pedo formally known as prince andrew is still walking free. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mybuttnolie@sopuli.xyz 0 points 9 months ago (1 child) won't help when their servers block access from EU permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] obamakitten@lemmy.ml -1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] XTL@sopuli.xyz 0 points 9 months ago (1 child) They probably drink water, too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] obamakitten@lemmy.ml 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] obamakitten@lemmy.ml -1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] XTL@sopuli.xyz 0 points 9 months ago (1 child) They probably drink water, too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] obamakitten@lemmy.ml 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] XTL@sopuli.xyz 0 points 9 months ago (1 child) They probably drink water, too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] obamakitten@lemmy.ml 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] Gutek8134@lemmy.world 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) Write your own E2E encrypted peer-to-peer chat app (nobody has got time for that) or use some that doesn't care about the law (pretty risky if it's not open source, I doubt they'll survive for long in the open), I guess permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] sleen@lemmy.zip 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] CleoCommunist@lemmy.ml 1 point 9 months ago Ita not said they wont comply with eh standards permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bjrn@feddit.nl 1 point 9 months ago Or Molly (alternative and more secure FOSS Android app for Signal), or Session or SimpleX. permalink fedilink source parent