▲ 92 ▼ Building the PERFECT Linux PC with Linus Torvalds - LTT (www.youtube.com) submitted 9 months ago by the16bitgamer@programming.dev to c/linux@programming.dev 89 comments fedilink hide all child comments TL:DW It's a 54:20 video of Fake Linus interviewing with Linus Torvalds. It goes over Linus's views on hardware choice, questions about Linux and several community questions. The video is long, but it's a good listen.
[–] boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net 19 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (20 children) TLDW on his hardware recommendations? chill interview, recommended to watch hardware recommendations see below permalink fedilink source hideshow 20 child comments replies: [–] teft@piefed.social 25 points 9 months ago (11 children) The parts from the build according to the youtube description: AMD Ryzen Threadripper 9960X GIGABYTE TRX50 AERO D Motherboard Samsung SSD 9100 PRO 2TB SSD Noctua NH-U14S TR5-SP6 Cooler Intel Arc B580 GPU Fractal Design Torrent E-ATX Case Seasonic PRIME TX-1600 1600W 80+ Titanium PSU ASUS ProArt Display PA32QCV 31.5" 6K HDR Monitor permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] Redjard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 9 months ago ECC ram. Hardware stability was the main factor. Real Linus mentions spending days hunting an instability bug in the kernel to have it turn out as bad ram on his pc. permalink fedilink source parent [–] tuxiqae@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 9 months ago (4 children) That's such a weird build, why have that PSU? That build doesn't get even close to requiring 1600W, the CPU + GPU are at around 550W together permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] waitmarks@lemmy.world 20 points 9 months ago (1 child) Torvalds likes his computer quiet so that psu with so much overhead, the fan probably won’t ever turn on. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Kolanaki@pawb.social -5 points 9 months ago Just don't put fans in to begin with 🤷♂️ permalink fedilink source parent [–] HubertManne@piefed.social 2 points 9 months ago Sounds like the type of builds I use to do. Generally looking for most bang for the buck so the power supply was more than necessary. Handy when upgrading unless a new socket comes out (ugh). permalink fedilink source parent [–] passntrash@midwest.social 2 points 9 months ago* It's a perfect build because it validates my personal choice to almost always use fractal design cases. Previously I was primarily going off of vibes, which have now been upgraded to objective truths. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SleeplessCityLights@programming.dev 0 points 9 months ago (4 children) The Intel Battlemage is an interesting choice. I'd put one in non-gaming PC if the price was right, but what is his reasoning? I have alchemist cards that have been running 8 hours a day on QA PCs perfectly fine for 2+ years. They sucked for the first couple months until Intel significantly improved the drivers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] fatalicus@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (3 children) Sound. He isn't gaming, so he didn't need a powerfull gaming card that can get noicy. He just needed something that can drive his two monitors (think they were 8k), and be silent. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] SleeplessCityLights@programming.dev 1 point 9 months ago (2 children) I figured it out. It's drivers. Intel provides open source Linux drivers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fatalicus@lemmy.world 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) You "figured it out"? He literally says in the video it is due to sound. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SleeplessCityLights@programming.dev 0 points 9 months ago Do you think he would use GeForce drivers? permalink fedilink source parent [–] artyom@piefed.social 10 points 9 months ago (4 children) I think the most interesting bit was his stance on ECC memory. Basically he says everyone should be using it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ikidd@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago (3 children) Blame Intel for making that a bold statement. Their refusal to allow ECC on anything except expensive server SKUs for decades set data integrity back substantially. Fuck Intel. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] YouAreLiterallyAnNPC@lemmy.world 1 point 9 months ago (2 children) As a devil's advocate; what if they allowed ECC by default and manufacturers became overly reliant on it to make certain RAM chips binnable that never should have been? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ikidd@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (1 child) I can't say I follow you. The price difference between ecc and nonecc should be so low as to make nonecc extinct, in a world where the marketing shits at Intel didn't have their way. How would it end up being a negative? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] YouAreLiterallyAnNPC@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago What I was trying to say is they would just end up using ECC as a crutch, anyways. They already do this with solid state drives. Many reliability errors get swept under the rug because they're caught by error correction. So much so that there's doubt they would function without error correction. They would just do the same with RAM, force error correction for unreliable hardware so that it passes muster. I want the option to run ECC -- via BIOS, not have it imposed. I want the exact state of my hardware to be known if it's anything less than optimal. ECC would obscure these issues for the layman and make suboptimal performance that much more difficult to troubleshoot. Just food for thought. A month late, but better than never. permalink fedilink source parent [–] DolphinMath@slrpnk.net 5 points 9 months ago Worth stating that this video was much more about the interview, rather than giving hardware recommendations. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SanctimoniousApe@lemmings.world 4 points 9 months ago (1 child) There's a parts list on the YT description. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] lnxtx@sopuli.xyz 8 points 9 months ago* Here it is (links excluded): Check out the parts from the build: AMD Ryzen Threadripper 9960X: GIGABYTE TRX50 AERO D Motherboard: Samsung SSD 9100 PRO 2TB SSD: Noctua NH-U14S TR5-SP6 Cooler: Intel Arc B580 GPU: Fractal Design Torrent E-ATX Case: Seasonic PRIME TX-1600 1600W 80+ Titanium PSU: ASUS ProArt Display PA32QCV 31.5" 6K HDR Monitor: permalink fedilink source parent
[–] teft@piefed.social 25 points 9 months ago (11 children) The parts from the build according to the youtube description: AMD Ryzen Threadripper 9960X GIGABYTE TRX50 AERO D Motherboard Samsung SSD 9100 PRO 2TB SSD Noctua NH-U14S TR5-SP6 Cooler Intel Arc B580 GPU Fractal Design Torrent E-ATX Case Seasonic PRIME TX-1600 1600W 80+ Titanium PSU ASUS ProArt Display PA32QCV 31.5" 6K HDR Monitor permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] Redjard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 9 months ago ECC ram. Hardware stability was the main factor. Real Linus mentions spending days hunting an instability bug in the kernel to have it turn out as bad ram on his pc. permalink fedilink source parent [–] tuxiqae@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 9 months ago (4 children) That's such a weird build, why have that PSU? That build doesn't get even close to requiring 1600W, the CPU + GPU are at around 550W together permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] waitmarks@lemmy.world 20 points 9 months ago (1 child) Torvalds likes his computer quiet so that psu with so much overhead, the fan probably won’t ever turn on. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Kolanaki@pawb.social -5 points 9 months ago Just don't put fans in to begin with 🤷♂️ permalink fedilink source parent [–] HubertManne@piefed.social 2 points 9 months ago Sounds like the type of builds I use to do. Generally looking for most bang for the buck so the power supply was more than necessary. Handy when upgrading unless a new socket comes out (ugh). permalink fedilink source parent [–] passntrash@midwest.social 2 points 9 months ago* It's a perfect build because it validates my personal choice to almost always use fractal design cases. Previously I was primarily going off of vibes, which have now been upgraded to objective truths. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SleeplessCityLights@programming.dev 0 points 9 months ago (4 children) The Intel Battlemage is an interesting choice. I'd put one in non-gaming PC if the price was right, but what is his reasoning? I have alchemist cards that have been running 8 hours a day on QA PCs perfectly fine for 2+ years. They sucked for the first couple months until Intel significantly improved the drivers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] fatalicus@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (3 children) Sound. He isn't gaming, so he didn't need a powerfull gaming card that can get noicy. He just needed something that can drive his two monitors (think they were 8k), and be silent. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] SleeplessCityLights@programming.dev 1 point 9 months ago (2 children) I figured it out. It's drivers. Intel provides open source Linux drivers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fatalicus@lemmy.world 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) You "figured it out"? He literally says in the video it is due to sound. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SleeplessCityLights@programming.dev 0 points 9 months ago Do you think he would use GeForce drivers? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Redjard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 9 months ago ECC ram. Hardware stability was the main factor. Real Linus mentions spending days hunting an instability bug in the kernel to have it turn out as bad ram on his pc. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] tuxiqae@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 9 months ago (4 children) That's such a weird build, why have that PSU? That build doesn't get even close to requiring 1600W, the CPU + GPU are at around 550W together permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] waitmarks@lemmy.world 20 points 9 months ago (1 child) Torvalds likes his computer quiet so that psu with so much overhead, the fan probably won’t ever turn on. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Kolanaki@pawb.social -5 points 9 months ago Just don't put fans in to begin with 🤷♂️ permalink fedilink source parent [–] HubertManne@piefed.social 2 points 9 months ago Sounds like the type of builds I use to do. Generally looking for most bang for the buck so the power supply was more than necessary. Handy when upgrading unless a new socket comes out (ugh). permalink fedilink source parent [–] passntrash@midwest.social 2 points 9 months ago* It's a perfect build because it validates my personal choice to almost always use fractal design cases. Previously I was primarily going off of vibes, which have now been upgraded to objective truths. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] waitmarks@lemmy.world 20 points 9 months ago (1 child) Torvalds likes his computer quiet so that psu with so much overhead, the fan probably won’t ever turn on. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Kolanaki@pawb.social -5 points 9 months ago Just don't put fans in to begin with 🤷♂️ permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social -5 points 9 months ago Just don't put fans in to begin with 🤷♂️ permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 2 points 9 months ago Sounds like the type of builds I use to do. Generally looking for most bang for the buck so the power supply was more than necessary. Handy when upgrading unless a new socket comes out (ugh). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] passntrash@midwest.social 2 points 9 months ago* It's a perfect build because it validates my personal choice to almost always use fractal design cases. Previously I was primarily going off of vibes, which have now been upgraded to objective truths. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SleeplessCityLights@programming.dev 0 points 9 months ago (4 children) The Intel Battlemage is an interesting choice. I'd put one in non-gaming PC if the price was right, but what is his reasoning? I have alchemist cards that have been running 8 hours a day on QA PCs perfectly fine for 2+ years. They sucked for the first couple months until Intel significantly improved the drivers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] fatalicus@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (3 children) Sound. He isn't gaming, so he didn't need a powerfull gaming card that can get noicy. He just needed something that can drive his two monitors (think they were 8k), and be silent. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] SleeplessCityLights@programming.dev 1 point 9 months ago (2 children) I figured it out. It's drivers. Intel provides open source Linux drivers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fatalicus@lemmy.world 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) You "figured it out"? He literally says in the video it is due to sound. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SleeplessCityLights@programming.dev 0 points 9 months ago Do you think he would use GeForce drivers? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] fatalicus@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (3 children) Sound. He isn't gaming, so he didn't need a powerfull gaming card that can get noicy. He just needed something that can drive his two monitors (think they were 8k), and be silent. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] SleeplessCityLights@programming.dev 1 point 9 months ago (2 children) I figured it out. It's drivers. Intel provides open source Linux drivers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fatalicus@lemmy.world 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) You "figured it out"? He literally says in the video it is due to sound. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SleeplessCityLights@programming.dev 0 points 9 months ago Do you think he would use GeForce drivers? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SleeplessCityLights@programming.dev 1 point 9 months ago (2 children) I figured it out. It's drivers. Intel provides open source Linux drivers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fatalicus@lemmy.world 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) You "figured it out"? He literally says in the video it is due to sound. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SleeplessCityLights@programming.dev 0 points 9 months ago Do you think he would use GeForce drivers? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] fatalicus@lemmy.world 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) You "figured it out"? He literally says in the video it is due to sound. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SleeplessCityLights@programming.dev 0 points 9 months ago Do you think he would use GeForce drivers? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SleeplessCityLights@programming.dev 0 points 9 months ago Do you think he would use GeForce drivers? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] artyom@piefed.social 10 points 9 months ago (4 children) I think the most interesting bit was his stance on ECC memory. Basically he says everyone should be using it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ikidd@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago (3 children) Blame Intel for making that a bold statement. Their refusal to allow ECC on anything except expensive server SKUs for decades set data integrity back substantially. Fuck Intel. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] YouAreLiterallyAnNPC@lemmy.world 1 point 9 months ago (2 children) As a devil's advocate; what if they allowed ECC by default and manufacturers became overly reliant on it to make certain RAM chips binnable that never should have been? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ikidd@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (1 child) I can't say I follow you. The price difference between ecc and nonecc should be so low as to make nonecc extinct, in a world where the marketing shits at Intel didn't have their way. How would it end up being a negative? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] YouAreLiterallyAnNPC@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago What I was trying to say is they would just end up using ECC as a crutch, anyways. They already do this with solid state drives. Many reliability errors get swept under the rug because they're caught by error correction. So much so that there's doubt they would function without error correction. They would just do the same with RAM, force error correction for unreliable hardware so that it passes muster. I want the option to run ECC -- via BIOS, not have it imposed. I want the exact state of my hardware to be known if it's anything less than optimal. ECC would obscure these issues for the layman and make suboptimal performance that much more difficult to troubleshoot. Just food for thought. A month late, but better than never. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago (3 children) Blame Intel for making that a bold statement. Their refusal to allow ECC on anything except expensive server SKUs for decades set data integrity back substantially. Fuck Intel. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] YouAreLiterallyAnNPC@lemmy.world 1 point 9 months ago (2 children) As a devil's advocate; what if they allowed ECC by default and manufacturers became overly reliant on it to make certain RAM chips binnable that never should have been? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ikidd@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (1 child) I can't say I follow you. The price difference between ecc and nonecc should be so low as to make nonecc extinct, in a world where the marketing shits at Intel didn't have their way. How would it end up being a negative? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] YouAreLiterallyAnNPC@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago What I was trying to say is they would just end up using ECC as a crutch, anyways. They already do this with solid state drives. Many reliability errors get swept under the rug because they're caught by error correction. So much so that there's doubt they would function without error correction. They would just do the same with RAM, force error correction for unreliable hardware so that it passes muster. I want the option to run ECC -- via BIOS, not have it imposed. I want the exact state of my hardware to be known if it's anything less than optimal. ECC would obscure these issues for the layman and make suboptimal performance that much more difficult to troubleshoot. Just food for thought. A month late, but better than never. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] YouAreLiterallyAnNPC@lemmy.world 1 point 9 months ago (2 children) As a devil's advocate; what if they allowed ECC by default and manufacturers became overly reliant on it to make certain RAM chips binnable that never should have been? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ikidd@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (1 child) I can't say I follow you. The price difference between ecc and nonecc should be so low as to make nonecc extinct, in a world where the marketing shits at Intel didn't have their way. How would it end up being a negative? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] YouAreLiterallyAnNPC@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago What I was trying to say is they would just end up using ECC as a crutch, anyways. They already do this with solid state drives. Many reliability errors get swept under the rug because they're caught by error correction. So much so that there's doubt they would function without error correction. They would just do the same with RAM, force error correction for unreliable hardware so that it passes muster. I want the option to run ECC -- via BIOS, not have it imposed. I want the exact state of my hardware to be known if it's anything less than optimal. ECC would obscure these issues for the layman and make suboptimal performance that much more difficult to troubleshoot. Just food for thought. A month late, but better than never. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (1 child) I can't say I follow you. The price difference between ecc and nonecc should be so low as to make nonecc extinct, in a world where the marketing shits at Intel didn't have their way. How would it end up being a negative? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] YouAreLiterallyAnNPC@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago What I was trying to say is they would just end up using ECC as a crutch, anyways. They already do this with solid state drives. Many reliability errors get swept under the rug because they're caught by error correction. So much so that there's doubt they would function without error correction. They would just do the same with RAM, force error correction for unreliable hardware so that it passes muster. I want the option to run ECC -- via BIOS, not have it imposed. I want the exact state of my hardware to be known if it's anything less than optimal. ECC would obscure these issues for the layman and make suboptimal performance that much more difficult to troubleshoot. Just food for thought. A month late, but better than never. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] YouAreLiterallyAnNPC@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago What I was trying to say is they would just end up using ECC as a crutch, anyways. They already do this with solid state drives. Many reliability errors get swept under the rug because they're caught by error correction. So much so that there's doubt they would function without error correction. They would just do the same with RAM, force error correction for unreliable hardware so that it passes muster. I want the option to run ECC -- via BIOS, not have it imposed. I want the exact state of my hardware to be known if it's anything less than optimal. ECC would obscure these issues for the layman and make suboptimal performance that much more difficult to troubleshoot. Just food for thought. A month late, but better than never. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DolphinMath@slrpnk.net 5 points 9 months ago Worth stating that this video was much more about the interview, rather than giving hardware recommendations. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SanctimoniousApe@lemmings.world 4 points 9 months ago (1 child) There's a parts list on the YT description. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] lnxtx@sopuli.xyz 8 points 9 months ago* Here it is (links excluded): Check out the parts from the build: AMD Ryzen Threadripper 9960X: GIGABYTE TRX50 AERO D Motherboard: Samsung SSD 9100 PRO 2TB SSD: Noctua NH-U14S TR5-SP6 Cooler: Intel Arc B580 GPU: Fractal Design Torrent E-ATX Case: Seasonic PRIME TX-1600 1600W 80+ Titanium PSU: ASUS ProArt Display PA32QCV 31.5" 6K HDR Monitor: permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lnxtx@sopuli.xyz 8 points 9 months ago* Here it is (links excluded): Check out the parts from the build: AMD Ryzen Threadripper 9960X: GIGABYTE TRX50 AERO D Motherboard: Samsung SSD 9100 PRO 2TB SSD: Noctua NH-U14S TR5-SP6 Cooler: Intel Arc B580 GPU: Fractal Design Torrent E-ATX Case: Seasonic PRIME TX-1600 1600W 80+ Titanium PSU: ASUS ProArt Display PA32QCV 31.5" 6K HDR Monitor: permalink fedilink source parent