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Screw it, I’m installing Linux (www.theverge.com)
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[–] 59 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Me after using the KDE: how the fuck Linux is better Windows than Windows?

They were supposed to focus on window managing, ITS IN THEIR FUCKING NAME. Instead you need extra things like Powertoys for basic functions that KDE has integrated.

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  • [–] 30 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    KDE is the best desktop environment I've ever had the pleasure of using. So much better than Windows at everything I want out of my desktop!

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I still like Cinnamon better. To quote Jeremy Clarkson, "This is brilliant, but I like this."

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    What does Cinnamon have that makes you like it over something like KDE?

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago

    I've often compared Gnome, KDE and Cinnamon, and it usually boils down to KDE is often too complicated and busy, Gnome is often too simple and braindead, Cinnamon sits somewhere in the middle.

    Gnome's settings menu is missing a lot of things you'd think should be there. They don't want you changing things, so you end up installing separate packages like gnome-tweaks to actually render the OS usable. They've got this weird attitude that they're going to out-Apple Apple with a millionth of Apple's budget, and where Apple offers "Just Works", Gnome offers "Barely Does Anything."

    KDE has the opposite problem, they've got a setting for literally everything, if you can find it in their overgrown single settings menu. A basic applet will have several tabs crammed full of options and UI elements, making it probably the best tool for whatever mundane task it was meant for but you have to stop and figure out how it works, and it's all rendered in janky misaligned QT so it looks like an amateur reskinned Windows 98.

    Cinnamon inherits a lot from Gnome, but puts back in the shit Gnome gouged out. I tend to find things where I think to look for them, it tends to provide the functionality I need out of the box without excessive clutter. But, it's a bit behind the times with stuff like Wayland, so it's not the best choice for very modern hardware.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Yus!

    That was so my take too, in 2003.

    I switched because of WinXP, that insane bloater chewing up resources I could have been using for my art tools if not for their squander on pointless shiny.

    So then, in SuSe, with KDE, it had even better shiny, useful shiny, not pointless, and it didnt run 10x slower than 95/98/NT/2000, like XP did, but instead ran 10x faster!

    There was no going back to being abused by M$ after seeing that.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    If we had fast windowing systems back then, why is modern KDE slower than XP?

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    KDE4. Plasma. The fattiest FOSS has to offer.

    Worth looking at Trinity (KDE3 fork/continuation).

    XFCE looks like it's trying to go from lightweight to fattiest some upgrades too. Still, very elegant, and you wont notice that on new beefy hardware. But on ancientware, ... best stick to LXDE, or even just openbox, or any other window manager, pretty much.

    IceWM, calls itself a window manager, but it seems to cover all the main basics for a desktop environment feel.

    There still be places to go to get the light, fast and shiny in FOSS, even if KDE went nuts around 15 years ago (whenever KDE4 was).

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    Didn't KDE fix many of its mistakes from version 4? We're on KDE 6 now.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    It did. Even by KDE5 (which frankly I cant see much difference from KDE6).

    But still, it's never perfect.

    And is still the fattiest FOSS has to offer.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Compared to GNOME, it's still fairly lightweight.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago*

    Oh. Thanks. I wouldn't/didn't know. GNOME's insanity is even greater than KDE4's insanity. So insane (and anti-user) it overshadows its other flaws. I cant even bring myself to suffer it to find out its bloated.

    Edit: Like, so far gone, I tend not even think of it any more.

    Edit2: That's even more astonishing now that I think about it. They're heavier than KDE... KDE's heavy with purpose, availing so much configuration to the user. GNOME have managed to be heavyweight, how? By depriving the user configurability?! That's even more insane! Like genuinely, not just a flippant remark. The GNOME developers, need their minds examined, and offered help, to stop them being a harm to themselves and everybody. It's simply not sane.

    Edit3: ... It's GNOME who have that guy who did time for over a thousand instances of kiddy fiddling, right? If that's right... like I say... there's something simply not right in their heads.

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  • [–] -3 points 9 months ago* (3 children)

    Honestly W11 window management by default is better than KDE right now.

    This was true for W10, but not any more.

    KDE window outline defaults (don't have a generic name for setting up the snap zones) take way more effort to set up than the windows version.

    I don't think requiring powertoys for extra features matters that much because its supported by the same company. In my opinion, when having something not default truly sucks is when its third party and is finicky and fickle because it requires developers developing vs a moving target.

    When its an internal team, they have much more knowledge about how that target will be moving.

    Anyhow, that is to say, I think KDE is great, and completely competent, and I love the level of customizability by default, but it certainly has many flaws. Of course its biggest flaw is not its own fault, but that of the catch 22 situation needed to gain critical mass, and the average linux proselytizer doing everything in their power to ensure people don't want to try linux by somehow imagining themselves to be the every user, and constantly doing that annoying thing where they both say linux is powerful, and that the faults dont matter because the average user doesn't use any of said powerful features or they themselves, personally got used to the faults.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    Having to install powetoys on top of the OS makes it DOA for many on corporate environments. You get stuck on approval limbo or if someone else went through the pain, you discover it breaks every once in a while due to missing .net dependencies that you don't have the right to install. I've seen this for both development (w10 w/ extended support) and thin clients (w11).

    Unfortunately our clients all use Windows development machines, so we are stuck on the same to be able to write the guides and documentation. Most of our scripts now rely on Got bash since we know that's available. MS environments are hostile to proper scripting and automation.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

    Oh yeah? Can you pin windows? Can you have windows always under the others or above them? Can you manage the buttons in the top ribbon? And dont even start with custom layout or the magnetic attach of windows in KDE.

    I didn't download powertoys for fun. I needed a feature the windows did not have build in. After using KDE, even powertoys look basic to me.

    Edit: Just remembered windows opacity, custom windows rules for almost everything and many more settings.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    I couldn't use Windows without PowerToys ever again. BTW FancyZones is really good for Windows IMO, and it's more work but I can mostly get what I want in KDE using KZones Kwin script. The other KDE window management benefits are a different story.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (2 children)

    After using KDE, even powertoys look basic to me.

    I think this is quite a bit exaggerated no? KDE lacks many of the tools Powertoys adds like the OCR, advanced clipboard, colour picker and more.

    Also, yes, pinning windows on top exists.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    I am comparing KDE with windows 11 in window managing. Powertoys has many tools but for window managing only the pin to top and fancy zones count. Pin windows only exist with Powertoys, not stock windows 11.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    kde has a builtin dedicated color picker. the clipboard does not have those features by default, but the clipboard history supports defining actions for the right clipboard content pattern, so it's possible to do that and more

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    in 2 decades of using KDE from time to time, the biggest flaw (besides how they released KDE4 way too early and distros picked it up), is how it's never perfect. fix one bug, add another. add a new feature, break an old feature. always feels like there's just one little irk hiding somewhere.

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