▲ 299 ▼ Roblox begins asking tens of millions of children to verify their age with a selfie (www.engadget.com) submitted 11 months ago by alessandro@lemmy.ca to c/pcgaming@lemmy.ca 59 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] lime@feddit.nu 40 points 11 months ago (30 children) ...and how do you verify that chatters are over 18? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 30 child comments replies: [–] rumba@lemmy.zip 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (5 children) While I don't love age verification, taking 3d webcam scans from adults won't create a catalog of kids. edit: and to clarify, IDGAF about chat ID verifications for almost all sites, but Roblox is marketed explicitly toward and occupied by children. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] IronBird@lemmy.world 26 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) no amount of age verification/id controls is stopping bad parents from failing their kids, it's a pointless waste of time which ultimately opens up these kids/people to being even more vulnerable when somebody hacks their database. if you run a business that provides some digital entertainment service to children, and facilitates their communication while using it...the only way your stopping groomers (or just generally keeping it from turning into a cesspool) is by actually paying people to moderate the chat rooms, simple as that and, atleast in an unregulated shithole like the US...the only way they'll do that is if they end up being held liable under some class action lawsuit small communities like this are work because the population using it is still relatively small permalink fedilink source parent [–] lime@feddit.nu 6 points 11 months ago (3 children) either way you're creating a database of people's faces. it's gonna be handled by a third party no matter what so whether you're above or below the cutoff is just a flag. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] rumba@lemmy.zip 1 point 11 months ago (2 children) What's stopping them from running a client model? Why even send the images home? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 4 points 11 months ago (1 child) the fact that they want the data. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] kbobabob@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 11 months ago the fact that they want sell the data. permalink fedilink source parent [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 11 months ago* (22 children) Ask for verification only to enable chat. So at least in theory it's only adults. Or, you know; don't. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 22 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 6 points 11 months ago (21 children) i mean, to matter which way you go you'll have created a database of people's real identities. which is a problem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 21 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 11 months ago (20 children) Yeah but at least it wouldn't be mostly children. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 2 points 11 months ago (19 children) did you bypass verification prompts as a child? so will they. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 11 months ago* (18 children) Yes, and Ana von mcfakenamesdottir the third, born jan1 1900 will be in the database forever. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 4 points 11 months ago (17 children) hah. personally i think a big part of the problem is that real-name identification for things that shouldn't need it is just sort of accepted, rather than being criticised as the massive invasion of privacy that it is. whether it includes children or not is a side note in my mind. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 11 months ago* (16 children) Oh absolutely, and we should go back to 1990s anonymity But here we are. Everything has an endoscope. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 11 months ago (15 children) well, we're here. but the companies and governments pushing this are already looking at possible next steps, like building systems where your real identity is used everywhere. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (14 children) And part of what I want is for children to be excluded. To not be tracked. It's a good wedge that turns their rhetoric against them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 2 points 11 months ago (13 children) maybe. when china did it with their law about children not using their phones after curfew, they handled it by building a face database of everyone except children, then matching against that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago* (12 children) Still fucking awful, but more work and keeps kids a little safer than the opposite permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 11 months ago (11 children) also a very useful way to mask your true reason if your true reason is "i want to build a database of people". four horsemen of the internet type shit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (10 children) Yes but I don't think anyone but the ccp is capable of actually doing that competently at the scale of a large country. Maybe ten years ago google might've had a shot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 11 months ago (9 children) doing it incompetently is arguably worse, because that involves storing way too much info and sharing it too freely. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago* (8 children) Yeah. I'm not a fan of any if this, but nobody cares when you say 'dont be evil¹'; not being pointlessly recklessly evil isn't a serious grown-up policy. better to do a political Tesla valve; introduce competing contradictory evil, dilute the propaganda, and arrest momemtym ¹except HUAC. HUAC cares. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 11 months ago (7 children) you say that, but if that was the case why would ibm go to all that trouble to get an exclusion from the json user agreement clause "the software shall be used for good, not evil"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (6 children) Yeah they did the 30s/40s equivalent, but I don't think they still have the functional capacity to work at that scale. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 11 months ago (5 children) they probably do, just that we don't get to hear about it until a couple of years have passed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago* (4 children) No like i don't think they're still competent enough. Morally, sure, thry could be that evil. If, say, Denver needed that database, they'd do it before the check cleared. I dont think they could do it for a large country. They would want to, they would take the contract, ans it would hire so many subcontractors cut so many corners the end product would be unrecognizable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 11 months ago* (3 children) i mean Edit: sorry, reuters seems to be stripping stuff off of the link. the quote i linked to is Technology giants Alphabet, Amazon, Microsoft, and IBM were named as "central to Israel's surveillance apparatus and the ongoing Gaza destruction." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (2 children) It takes all of them plus the Zionist state, for something smaller than California. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) fair enough. i just know ibm is a big actor with many european governments as well, more so than the others. probably by virtue of having been around a lot longer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago And certain preexisting relationships. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Valmond@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago Just send one (1) child picture. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (5 children) While I don't love age verification, taking 3d webcam scans from adults won't create a catalog of kids. edit: and to clarify, IDGAF about chat ID verifications for almost all sites, but Roblox is marketed explicitly toward and occupied by children. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] IronBird@lemmy.world 26 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) no amount of age verification/id controls is stopping bad parents from failing their kids, it's a pointless waste of time which ultimately opens up these kids/people to being even more vulnerable when somebody hacks their database. if you run a business that provides some digital entertainment service to children, and facilitates their communication while using it...the only way your stopping groomers (or just generally keeping it from turning into a cesspool) is by actually paying people to moderate the chat rooms, simple as that and, atleast in an unregulated shithole like the US...the only way they'll do that is if they end up being held liable under some class action lawsuit small communities like this are work because the population using it is still relatively small permalink fedilink source parent [–] lime@feddit.nu 6 points 11 months ago (3 children) either way you're creating a database of people's faces. it's gonna be handled by a third party no matter what so whether you're above or below the cutoff is just a flag. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] rumba@lemmy.zip 1 point 11 months ago (2 children) What's stopping them from running a client model? Why even send the images home? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 4 points 11 months ago (1 child) the fact that they want the data. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] kbobabob@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 11 months ago the fact that they want sell the data. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] IronBird@lemmy.world 26 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) no amount of age verification/id controls is stopping bad parents from failing their kids, it's a pointless waste of time which ultimately opens up these kids/people to being even more vulnerable when somebody hacks their database. if you run a business that provides some digital entertainment service to children, and facilitates their communication while using it...the only way your stopping groomers (or just generally keeping it from turning into a cesspool) is by actually paying people to moderate the chat rooms, simple as that and, atleast in an unregulated shithole like the US...the only way they'll do that is if they end up being held liable under some class action lawsuit small communities like this are work because the population using it is still relatively small permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lime@feddit.nu 6 points 11 months ago (3 children) either way you're creating a database of people's faces. it's gonna be handled by a third party no matter what so whether you're above or below the cutoff is just a flag. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] rumba@lemmy.zip 1 point 11 months ago (2 children) What's stopping them from running a client model? Why even send the images home? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 4 points 11 months ago (1 child) the fact that they want the data. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] kbobabob@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 11 months ago the fact that they want sell the data. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 1 point 11 months ago (2 children) What's stopping them from running a client model? Why even send the images home? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 4 points 11 months ago (1 child) the fact that they want the data. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] kbobabob@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 11 months ago the fact that they want sell the data. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lime@feddit.nu 4 points 11 months ago (1 child) the fact that they want the data. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] kbobabob@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 11 months ago the fact that they want sell the data. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kbobabob@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 11 months ago the fact that they want sell the data. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 11 months ago* (22 children) Ask for verification only to enable chat. So at least in theory it's only adults. Or, you know; don't. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 22 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 6 points 11 months ago (21 children) i mean, to matter which way you go you'll have created a database of people's real identities. which is a problem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 21 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 11 months ago (20 children) Yeah but at least it wouldn't be mostly children. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 2 points 11 months ago (19 children) did you bypass verification prompts as a child? so will they. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 11 months ago* (18 children) Yes, and Ana von mcfakenamesdottir the third, born jan1 1900 will be in the database forever. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 4 points 11 months ago (17 children) hah. personally i think a big part of the problem is that real-name identification for things that shouldn't need it is just sort of accepted, rather than being criticised as the massive invasion of privacy that it is. whether it includes children or not is a side note in my mind. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 11 months ago* (16 children) Oh absolutely, and we should go back to 1990s anonymity But here we are. Everything has an endoscope. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 11 months ago (15 children) well, we're here. but the companies and governments pushing this are already looking at possible next steps, like building systems where your real identity is used everywhere. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (14 children) And part of what I want is for children to be excluded. To not be tracked. It's a good wedge that turns their rhetoric against them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 2 points 11 months ago (13 children) maybe. when china did it with their law about children not using their phones after curfew, they handled it by building a face database of everyone except children, then matching against that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago* (12 children) Still fucking awful, but more work and keeps kids a little safer than the opposite permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 11 months ago (11 children) also a very useful way to mask your true reason if your true reason is "i want to build a database of people". four horsemen of the internet type shit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (10 children) Yes but I don't think anyone but the ccp is capable of actually doing that competently at the scale of a large country. Maybe ten years ago google might've had a shot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 11 months ago (9 children) doing it incompetently is arguably worse, because that involves storing way too much info and sharing it too freely. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago* (8 children) Yeah. I'm not a fan of any if this, but nobody cares when you say 'dont be evil¹'; not being pointlessly recklessly evil isn't a serious grown-up policy. better to do a political Tesla valve; introduce competing contradictory evil, dilute the propaganda, and arrest momemtym ¹except HUAC. HUAC cares. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 11 months ago (7 children) you say that, but if that was the case why would ibm go to all that trouble to get an exclusion from the json user agreement clause "the software shall be used for good, not evil"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (6 children) Yeah they did the 30s/40s equivalent, but I don't think they still have the functional capacity to work at that scale. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 11 months ago (5 children) they probably do, just that we don't get to hear about it until a couple of years have passed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago* (4 children) No like i don't think they're still competent enough. Morally, sure, thry could be that evil. If, say, Denver needed that database, they'd do it before the check cleared. I dont think they could do it for a large country. They would want to, they would take the contract, ans it would hire so many subcontractors cut so many corners the end product would be unrecognizable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 11 months ago* (3 children) i mean Edit: sorry, reuters seems to be stripping stuff off of the link. the quote i linked to is Technology giants Alphabet, Amazon, Microsoft, and IBM were named as "central to Israel's surveillance apparatus and the ongoing Gaza destruction." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (2 children) It takes all of them plus the Zionist state, for something smaller than California. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) fair enough. i just know ibm is a big actor with many european governments as well, more so than the others. probably by virtue of having been around a lot longer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago And certain preexisting relationships. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lime@feddit.nu 6 points 11 months ago (21 children) i mean, to matter which way you go you'll have created a database of people's real identities. which is a problem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 21 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 11 months ago (20 children) Yeah but at least it wouldn't be mostly children. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 2 points 11 months ago (19 children) did you bypass verification prompts as a child? so will they. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 11 months ago* (18 children) Yes, and Ana von mcfakenamesdottir the third, born jan1 1900 will be in the database forever. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 4 points 11 months ago (17 children) hah. personally i think a big part of the problem is that real-name identification for things that shouldn't need it is just sort of accepted, rather than being criticised as the massive invasion of privacy that it is. whether it includes children or not is a side note in my mind. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 11 months ago* (16 children) Oh absolutely, and we should go back to 1990s anonymity But here we are. Everything has an endoscope. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 11 months ago (15 children) well, we're here. but the companies and governments pushing this are already looking at possible next steps, like building systems where your real identity is used everywhere. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (14 children) And part of what I want is for children to be excluded. To not be tracked. It's a good wedge that turns their rhetoric against them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 2 points 11 months ago (13 children) maybe. when china did it with their law about children not using their phones after curfew, they handled it by building a face database of everyone except children, then matching against that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago* (12 children) Still fucking awful, but more work and keeps kids a little safer than the opposite permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 11 months ago (11 children) also a very useful way to mask your true reason if your true reason is "i want to build a database of people". four horsemen of the internet type shit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (10 children) Yes but I don't think anyone but the ccp is capable of actually doing that competently at the scale of a large country. Maybe ten years ago google might've had a shot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 11 months ago (9 children) doing it incompetently is arguably worse, because that involves storing way too much info and sharing it too freely. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago* (8 children) Yeah. I'm not a fan of any if this, but nobody cares when you say 'dont be evil¹'; not being pointlessly recklessly evil isn't a serious grown-up policy. better to do a political Tesla valve; introduce competing contradictory evil, dilute the propaganda, and arrest momemtym ¹except HUAC. HUAC cares. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 11 months ago (7 children) you say that, but if that was the case why would ibm go to all that trouble to get an exclusion from the json user agreement clause "the software shall be used for good, not evil"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (6 children) Yeah they did the 30s/40s equivalent, but I don't think they still have the functional capacity to work at that scale. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 11 months ago (5 children) they probably do, just that we don't get to hear about it until a couple of years have passed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago* (4 children) No like i don't think they're still competent enough. Morally, sure, thry could be that evil. If, say, Denver needed that database, they'd do it before the check cleared. I dont think they could do it for a large country. They would want to, they would take the contract, ans it would hire so many subcontractors cut so many corners the end product would be unrecognizable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 11 months ago* (3 children) i mean Edit: sorry, reuters seems to be stripping stuff off of the link. the quote i linked to is Technology giants Alphabet, Amazon, Microsoft, and IBM were named as "central to Israel's surveillance apparatus and the ongoing Gaza destruction." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (2 children) It takes all of them plus the Zionist state, for something smaller than California. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) fair enough. i just know ibm is a big actor with many european governments as well, more so than the others. probably by virtue of having been around a lot longer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago And certain preexisting relationships. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 11 months ago (20 children) Yeah but at least it wouldn't be mostly children. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 2 points 11 months ago (19 children) did you bypass verification prompts as a child? so will they. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 11 months ago* (18 children) Yes, and Ana von mcfakenamesdottir the third, born jan1 1900 will be in the database forever. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 4 points 11 months ago (17 children) hah. personally i think a big part of the problem is that real-name identification for things that shouldn't need it is just sort of accepted, rather than being criticised as the massive invasion of privacy that it is. whether it includes children or not is a side note in my mind. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 11 months ago* (16 children) Oh absolutely, and we should go back to 1990s anonymity But here we are. Everything has an endoscope. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 11 months ago (15 children) well, we're here. but the companies and governments pushing this are already looking at possible next steps, like building systems where your real identity is used everywhere. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (14 children) And part of what I want is for children to be excluded. To not be tracked. It's a good wedge that turns their rhetoric against them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 2 points 11 months ago (13 children) maybe. when china did it with their law about children not using their phones after curfew, they handled it by building a face database of everyone except children, then matching against that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago* (12 children) Still fucking awful, but more work and keeps kids a little safer than the opposite permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 11 months ago (11 children) also a very useful way to mask your true reason if your true reason is "i want to build a database of people". four horsemen of the internet type shit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (10 children) Yes but I don't think anyone but the ccp is capable of actually doing that competently at the scale of a large country. Maybe ten years ago google might've had a shot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 11 months ago (9 children) doing it incompetently is arguably worse, because that involves storing way too much info and sharing it too freely. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago* (8 children) Yeah. I'm not a fan of any if this, but nobody cares when you say 'dont be evil¹'; not being pointlessly recklessly evil isn't a serious grown-up policy. better to do a political Tesla valve; introduce competing contradictory evil, dilute the propaganda, and arrest momemtym ¹except HUAC. HUAC cares. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 11 months ago (7 children) you say that, but if that was the case why would ibm go to all that trouble to get an exclusion from the json user agreement clause "the software shall be used for good, not evil"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (6 children) Yeah they did the 30s/40s equivalent, but I don't think they still have the functional capacity to work at that scale. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 11 months ago (5 children) they probably do, just that we don't get to hear about it until a couple of years have passed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago* (4 children) No like i don't think they're still competent enough. Morally, sure, thry could be that evil. If, say, Denver needed that database, they'd do it before the check cleared. I dont think they could do it for a large country. They would want to, they would take the contract, ans it would hire so many subcontractors cut so many corners the end product would be unrecognizable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 11 months ago* (3 children) i mean Edit: sorry, reuters seems to be stripping stuff off of the link. the quote i linked to is Technology giants Alphabet, Amazon, Microsoft, and IBM were named as "central to Israel's surveillance apparatus and the ongoing Gaza destruction." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (2 children) It takes all of them plus the Zionist state, for something smaller than California. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) fair enough. i just know ibm is a big actor with many european governments as well, more so than the others. probably by virtue of having been around a lot longer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago And certain preexisting relationships. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lime@feddit.nu 2 points 11 months ago (19 children) did you bypass verification prompts as a child? so will they. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 11 months ago* (18 children) Yes, and Ana von mcfakenamesdottir the third, born jan1 1900 will be in the database forever. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 4 points 11 months ago (17 children) hah. personally i think a big part of the problem is that real-name identification for things that shouldn't need it is just sort of accepted, rather than being criticised as the massive invasion of privacy that it is. whether it includes children or not is a side note in my mind. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 11 months ago* (16 children) Oh absolutely, and we should go back to 1990s anonymity But here we are. Everything has an endoscope. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 11 months ago (15 children) well, we're here. but the companies and governments pushing this are already looking at possible next steps, like building systems where your real identity is used everywhere. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (14 children) And part of what I want is for children to be excluded. To not be tracked. It's a good wedge that turns their rhetoric against them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 2 points 11 months ago (13 children) maybe. when china did it with their law about children not using their phones after curfew, they handled it by building a face database of everyone except children, then matching against that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago* (12 children) Still fucking awful, but more work and keeps kids a little safer than the opposite permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 11 months ago (11 children) also a very useful way to mask your true reason if your true reason is "i want to build a database of people". four horsemen of the internet type shit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (10 children) Yes but I don't think anyone but the ccp is capable of actually doing that competently at the scale of a large country. Maybe ten years ago google might've had a shot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 11 months ago (9 children) doing it incompetently is arguably worse, because that involves storing way too much info and sharing it too freely. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago* (8 children) Yeah. I'm not a fan of any if this, but nobody cares when you say 'dont be evil¹'; not being pointlessly recklessly evil isn't a serious grown-up policy. better to do a political Tesla valve; introduce competing contradictory evil, dilute the propaganda, and arrest momemtym ¹except HUAC. HUAC cares. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 11 months ago (7 children) you say that, but if that was the case why would ibm go to all that trouble to get an exclusion from the json user agreement clause "the software shall be used for good, not evil"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (6 children) Yeah they did the 30s/40s equivalent, but I don't think they still have the functional capacity to work at that scale. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 11 months ago (5 children) they probably do, just that we don't get to hear about it until a couple of years have passed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago* (4 children) No like i don't think they're still competent enough. Morally, sure, thry could be that evil. If, say, Denver needed that database, they'd do it before the check cleared. I dont think they could do it for a large country. They would want to, they would take the contract, ans it would hire so many subcontractors cut so many corners the end product would be unrecognizable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 11 months ago* (3 children) i mean Edit: sorry, reuters seems to be stripping stuff off of the link. the quote i linked to is Technology giants Alphabet, Amazon, Microsoft, and IBM were named as "central to Israel's surveillance apparatus and the ongoing Gaza destruction." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (2 children) It takes all of them plus the Zionist state, for something smaller than California. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) fair enough. i just know ibm is a big actor with many european governments as well, more so than the others. probably by virtue of having been around a lot longer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago And certain preexisting relationships. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 11 months ago* (18 children) Yes, and Ana von mcfakenamesdottir the third, born jan1 1900 will be in the database forever. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 4 points 11 months ago (17 children) hah. personally i think a big part of the problem is that real-name identification for things that shouldn't need it is just sort of accepted, rather than being criticised as the massive invasion of privacy that it is. whether it includes children or not is a side note in my mind. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 11 months ago* (16 children) Oh absolutely, and we should go back to 1990s anonymity But here we are. Everything has an endoscope. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 11 months ago (15 children) well, we're here. but the companies and governments pushing this are already looking at possible next steps, like building systems where your real identity is used everywhere. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (14 children) And part of what I want is for children to be excluded. To not be tracked. It's a good wedge that turns their rhetoric against them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 2 points 11 months ago (13 children) maybe. when china did it with their law about children not using their phones after curfew, they handled it by building a face database of everyone except children, then matching against that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago* (12 children) Still fucking awful, but more work and keeps kids a little safer than the opposite permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 11 months ago (11 children) also a very useful way to mask your true reason if your true reason is "i want to build a database of people". four horsemen of the internet type shit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (10 children) Yes but I don't think anyone but the ccp is capable of actually doing that competently at the scale of a large country. Maybe ten years ago google might've had a shot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 11 months ago (9 children) doing it incompetently is arguably worse, because that involves storing way too much info and sharing it too freely. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago* (8 children) Yeah. I'm not a fan of any if this, but nobody cares when you say 'dont be evil¹'; not being pointlessly recklessly evil isn't a serious grown-up policy. better to do a political Tesla valve; introduce competing contradictory evil, dilute the propaganda, and arrest momemtym ¹except HUAC. HUAC cares. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 11 months ago (7 children) you say that, but if that was the case why would ibm go to all that trouble to get an exclusion from the json user agreement clause "the software shall be used for good, not evil"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (6 children) Yeah they did the 30s/40s equivalent, but I don't think they still have the functional capacity to work at that scale. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 11 months ago (5 children) they probably do, just that we don't get to hear about it until a couple of years have passed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago* (4 children) No like i don't think they're still competent enough. Morally, sure, thry could be that evil. If, say, Denver needed that database, they'd do it before the check cleared. I dont think they could do it for a large country. They would want to, they would take the contract, ans it would hire so many subcontractors cut so many corners the end product would be unrecognizable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 11 months ago* (3 children) i mean Edit: sorry, reuters seems to be stripping stuff off of the link. the quote i linked to is Technology giants Alphabet, Amazon, Microsoft, and IBM were named as "central to Israel's surveillance apparatus and the ongoing Gaza destruction." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (2 children) It takes all of them plus the Zionist state, for something smaller than California. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) fair enough. i just know ibm is a big actor with many european governments as well, more so than the others. probably by virtue of having been around a lot longer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago And certain preexisting relationships. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lime@feddit.nu 4 points 11 months ago (17 children) hah. personally i think a big part of the problem is that real-name identification for things that shouldn't need it is just sort of accepted, rather than being criticised as the massive invasion of privacy that it is. whether it includes children or not is a side note in my mind. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 11 months ago* (16 children) Oh absolutely, and we should go back to 1990s anonymity But here we are. Everything has an endoscope. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 11 months ago (15 children) well, we're here. but the companies and governments pushing this are already looking at possible next steps, like building systems where your real identity is used everywhere. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (14 children) And part of what I want is for children to be excluded. To not be tracked. It's a good wedge that turns their rhetoric against them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 2 points 11 months ago (13 children) maybe. when china did it with their law about children not using their phones after curfew, they handled it by building a face database of everyone except children, then matching against that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago* (12 children) Still fucking awful, but more work and keeps kids a little safer than the opposite permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 11 months ago (11 children) also a very useful way to mask your true reason if your true reason is "i want to build a database of people". four horsemen of the internet type shit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (10 children) Yes but I don't think anyone but the ccp is capable of actually doing that competently at the scale of a large country. Maybe ten years ago google might've had a shot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 11 months ago (9 children) doing it incompetently is arguably worse, because that involves storing way too much info and sharing it too freely. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago* (8 children) Yeah. I'm not a fan of any if this, but nobody cares when you say 'dont be evil¹'; not being pointlessly recklessly evil isn't a serious grown-up policy. better to do a political Tesla valve; introduce competing contradictory evil, dilute the propaganda, and arrest momemtym ¹except HUAC. HUAC cares. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 11 months ago (7 children) you say that, but if that was the case why would ibm go to all that trouble to get an exclusion from the json user agreement clause "the software shall be used for good, not evil"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (6 children) Yeah they did the 30s/40s equivalent, but I don't think they still have the functional capacity to work at that scale. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 11 months ago (5 children) they probably do, just that we don't get to hear about it until a couple of years have passed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago* (4 children) No like i don't think they're still competent enough. Morally, sure, thry could be that evil. If, say, Denver needed that database, they'd do it before the check cleared. I dont think they could do it for a large country. They would want to, they would take the contract, ans it would hire so many subcontractors cut so many corners the end product would be unrecognizable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 11 months ago* (3 children) i mean Edit: sorry, reuters seems to be stripping stuff off of the link. the quote i linked to is Technology giants Alphabet, Amazon, Microsoft, and IBM were named as "central to Israel's surveillance apparatus and the ongoing Gaza destruction." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (2 children) It takes all of them plus the Zionist state, for something smaller than California. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) fair enough. i just know ibm is a big actor with many european governments as well, more so than the others. probably by virtue of having been around a lot longer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago And certain preexisting relationships. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 11 months ago* (16 children) Oh absolutely, and we should go back to 1990s anonymity But here we are. Everything has an endoscope. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 11 months ago (15 children) well, we're here. but the companies and governments pushing this are already looking at possible next steps, like building systems where your real identity is used everywhere. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (14 children) And part of what I want is for children to be excluded. To not be tracked. It's a good wedge that turns their rhetoric against them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 2 points 11 months ago (13 children) maybe. when china did it with their law about children not using their phones after curfew, they handled it by building a face database of everyone except children, then matching against that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago* (12 children) Still fucking awful, but more work and keeps kids a little safer than the opposite permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 11 months ago (11 children) also a very useful way to mask your true reason if your true reason is "i want to build a database of people". four horsemen of the internet type shit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (10 children) Yes but I don't think anyone but the ccp is capable of actually doing that competently at the scale of a large country. Maybe ten years ago google might've had a shot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 11 months ago (9 children) doing it incompetently is arguably worse, because that involves storing way too much info and sharing it too freely. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago* (8 children) Yeah. I'm not a fan of any if this, but nobody cares when you say 'dont be evil¹'; not being pointlessly recklessly evil isn't a serious grown-up policy. better to do a political Tesla valve; introduce competing contradictory evil, dilute the propaganda, and arrest momemtym ¹except HUAC. HUAC cares. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 11 months ago (7 children) you say that, but if that was the case why would ibm go to all that trouble to get an exclusion from the json user agreement clause "the software shall be used for good, not evil"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (6 children) Yeah they did the 30s/40s equivalent, but I don't think they still have the functional capacity to work at that scale. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 11 months ago (5 children) they probably do, just that we don't get to hear about it until a couple of years have passed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago* (4 children) No like i don't think they're still competent enough. Morally, sure, thry could be that evil. If, say, Denver needed that database, they'd do it before the check cleared. I dont think they could do it for a large country. They would want to, they would take the contract, ans it would hire so many subcontractors cut so many corners the end product would be unrecognizable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 11 months ago* (3 children) i mean Edit: sorry, reuters seems to be stripping stuff off of the link. the quote i linked to is Technology giants Alphabet, Amazon, Microsoft, and IBM were named as "central to Israel's surveillance apparatus and the ongoing Gaza destruction." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (2 children) It takes all of them plus the Zionist state, for something smaller than California. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) fair enough. i just know ibm is a big actor with many european governments as well, more so than the others. probably by virtue of having been around a lot longer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago And certain preexisting relationships. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 11 months ago (15 children) well, we're here. but the companies and governments pushing this are already looking at possible next steps, like building systems where your real identity is used everywhere. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (14 children) And part of what I want is for children to be excluded. To not be tracked. It's a good wedge that turns their rhetoric against them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 2 points 11 months ago (13 children) maybe. when china did it with their law about children not using their phones after curfew, they handled it by building a face database of everyone except children, then matching against that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago* (12 children) Still fucking awful, but more work and keeps kids a little safer than the opposite permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 11 months ago (11 children) also a very useful way to mask your true reason if your true reason is "i want to build a database of people". four horsemen of the internet type shit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (10 children) Yes but I don't think anyone but the ccp is capable of actually doing that competently at the scale of a large country. Maybe ten years ago google might've had a shot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 11 months ago (9 children) doing it incompetently is arguably worse, because that involves storing way too much info and sharing it too freely. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago* (8 children) Yeah. I'm not a fan of any if this, but nobody cares when you say 'dont be evil¹'; not being pointlessly recklessly evil isn't a serious grown-up policy. better to do a political Tesla valve; introduce competing contradictory evil, dilute the propaganda, and arrest momemtym ¹except HUAC. HUAC cares. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 11 months ago (7 children) you say that, but if that was the case why would ibm go to all that trouble to get an exclusion from the json user agreement clause "the software shall be used for good, not evil"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (6 children) Yeah they did the 30s/40s equivalent, but I don't think they still have the functional capacity to work at that scale. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 11 months ago (5 children) they probably do, just that we don't get to hear about it until a couple of years have passed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago* (4 children) No like i don't think they're still competent enough. Morally, sure, thry could be that evil. If, say, Denver needed that database, they'd do it before the check cleared. I dont think they could do it for a large country. They would want to, they would take the contract, ans it would hire so many subcontractors cut so many corners the end product would be unrecognizable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 11 months ago* (3 children) i mean Edit: sorry, reuters seems to be stripping stuff off of the link. the quote i linked to is Technology giants Alphabet, Amazon, Microsoft, and IBM were named as "central to Israel's surveillance apparatus and the ongoing Gaza destruction." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (2 children) It takes all of them plus the Zionist state, for something smaller than California. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) fair enough. i just know ibm is a big actor with many european governments as well, more so than the others. probably by virtue of having been around a lot longer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago And certain preexisting relationships. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (14 children) And part of what I want is for children to be excluded. To not be tracked. It's a good wedge that turns their rhetoric against them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 2 points 11 months ago (13 children) maybe. when china did it with their law about children not using their phones after curfew, they handled it by building a face database of everyone except children, then matching against that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago* (12 children) Still fucking awful, but more work and keeps kids a little safer than the opposite permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 11 months ago (11 children) also a very useful way to mask your true reason if your true reason is "i want to build a database of people". four horsemen of the internet type shit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (10 children) Yes but I don't think anyone but the ccp is capable of actually doing that competently at the scale of a large country. Maybe ten years ago google might've had a shot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 11 months ago (9 children) doing it incompetently is arguably worse, because that involves storing way too much info and sharing it too freely. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago* (8 children) Yeah. I'm not a fan of any if this, but nobody cares when you say 'dont be evil¹'; not being pointlessly recklessly evil isn't a serious grown-up policy. better to do a political Tesla valve; introduce competing contradictory evil, dilute the propaganda, and arrest momemtym ¹except HUAC. HUAC cares. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 11 months ago (7 children) you say that, but if that was the case why would ibm go to all that trouble to get an exclusion from the json user agreement clause "the software shall be used for good, not evil"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (6 children) Yeah they did the 30s/40s equivalent, but I don't think they still have the functional capacity to work at that scale. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 11 months ago (5 children) they probably do, just that we don't get to hear about it until a couple of years have passed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago* (4 children) No like i don't think they're still competent enough. Morally, sure, thry could be that evil. If, say, Denver needed that database, they'd do it before the check cleared. I dont think they could do it for a large country. They would want to, they would take the contract, ans it would hire so many subcontractors cut so many corners the end product would be unrecognizable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 11 months ago* (3 children) i mean Edit: sorry, reuters seems to be stripping stuff off of the link. the quote i linked to is Technology giants Alphabet, Amazon, Microsoft, and IBM were named as "central to Israel's surveillance apparatus and the ongoing Gaza destruction." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (2 children) It takes all of them plus the Zionist state, for something smaller than California. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) fair enough. i just know ibm is a big actor with many european governments as well, more so than the others. probably by virtue of having been around a lot longer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago And certain preexisting relationships. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lime@feddit.nu 2 points 11 months ago (13 children) maybe. when china did it with their law about children not using their phones after curfew, they handled it by building a face database of everyone except children, then matching against that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago* (12 children) Still fucking awful, but more work and keeps kids a little safer than the opposite permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 11 months ago (11 children) also a very useful way to mask your true reason if your true reason is "i want to build a database of people". four horsemen of the internet type shit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (10 children) Yes but I don't think anyone but the ccp is capable of actually doing that competently at the scale of a large country. Maybe ten years ago google might've had a shot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 11 months ago (9 children) doing it incompetently is arguably worse, because that involves storing way too much info and sharing it too freely. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago* (8 children) Yeah. I'm not a fan of any if this, but nobody cares when you say 'dont be evil¹'; not being pointlessly recklessly evil isn't a serious grown-up policy. better to do a political Tesla valve; introduce competing contradictory evil, dilute the propaganda, and arrest momemtym ¹except HUAC. HUAC cares. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 11 months ago (7 children) you say that, but if that was the case why would ibm go to all that trouble to get an exclusion from the json user agreement clause "the software shall be used for good, not evil"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (6 children) Yeah they did the 30s/40s equivalent, but I don't think they still have the functional capacity to work at that scale. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 11 months ago (5 children) they probably do, just that we don't get to hear about it until a couple of years have passed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago* (4 children) No like i don't think they're still competent enough. Morally, sure, thry could be that evil. If, say, Denver needed that database, they'd do it before the check cleared. I dont think they could do it for a large country. They would want to, they would take the contract, ans it would hire so many subcontractors cut so many corners the end product would be unrecognizable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 11 months ago* (3 children) i mean Edit: sorry, reuters seems to be stripping stuff off of the link. the quote i linked to is Technology giants Alphabet, Amazon, Microsoft, and IBM were named as "central to Israel's surveillance apparatus and the ongoing Gaza destruction." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (2 children) It takes all of them plus the Zionist state, for something smaller than California. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) fair enough. i just know ibm is a big actor with many european governments as well, more so than the others. probably by virtue of having been around a lot longer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago And certain preexisting relationships. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago* (12 children) Still fucking awful, but more work and keeps kids a little safer than the opposite permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 11 months ago (11 children) also a very useful way to mask your true reason if your true reason is "i want to build a database of people". four horsemen of the internet type shit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (10 children) Yes but I don't think anyone but the ccp is capable of actually doing that competently at the scale of a large country. Maybe ten years ago google might've had a shot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 11 months ago (9 children) doing it incompetently is arguably worse, because that involves storing way too much info and sharing it too freely. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago* (8 children) Yeah. I'm not a fan of any if this, but nobody cares when you say 'dont be evil¹'; not being pointlessly recklessly evil isn't a serious grown-up policy. better to do a political Tesla valve; introduce competing contradictory evil, dilute the propaganda, and arrest momemtym ¹except HUAC. HUAC cares. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 11 months ago (7 children) you say that, but if that was the case why would ibm go to all that trouble to get an exclusion from the json user agreement clause "the software shall be used for good, not evil"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (6 children) Yeah they did the 30s/40s equivalent, but I don't think they still have the functional capacity to work at that scale. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 11 months ago (5 children) they probably do, just that we don't get to hear about it until a couple of years have passed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago* (4 children) No like i don't think they're still competent enough. Morally, sure, thry could be that evil. If, say, Denver needed that database, they'd do it before the check cleared. I dont think they could do it for a large country. They would want to, they would take the contract, ans it would hire so many subcontractors cut so many corners the end product would be unrecognizable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 11 months ago* (3 children) i mean Edit: sorry, reuters seems to be stripping stuff off of the link. the quote i linked to is Technology giants Alphabet, Amazon, Microsoft, and IBM were named as "central to Israel's surveillance apparatus and the ongoing Gaza destruction." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (2 children) It takes all of them plus the Zionist state, for something smaller than California. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) fair enough. i just know ibm is a big actor with many european governments as well, more so than the others. probably by virtue of having been around a lot longer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago And certain preexisting relationships. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 11 months ago (11 children) also a very useful way to mask your true reason if your true reason is "i want to build a database of people". four horsemen of the internet type shit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (10 children) Yes but I don't think anyone but the ccp is capable of actually doing that competently at the scale of a large country. Maybe ten years ago google might've had a shot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 11 months ago (9 children) doing it incompetently is arguably worse, because that involves storing way too much info and sharing it too freely. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago* (8 children) Yeah. I'm not a fan of any if this, but nobody cares when you say 'dont be evil¹'; not being pointlessly recklessly evil isn't a serious grown-up policy. better to do a political Tesla valve; introduce competing contradictory evil, dilute the propaganda, and arrest momemtym ¹except HUAC. HUAC cares. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 11 months ago (7 children) you say that, but if that was the case why would ibm go to all that trouble to get an exclusion from the json user agreement clause "the software shall be used for good, not evil"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (6 children) Yeah they did the 30s/40s equivalent, but I don't think they still have the functional capacity to work at that scale. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 11 months ago (5 children) they probably do, just that we don't get to hear about it until a couple of years have passed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago* (4 children) No like i don't think they're still competent enough. Morally, sure, thry could be that evil. If, say, Denver needed that database, they'd do it before the check cleared. I dont think they could do it for a large country. They would want to, they would take the contract, ans it would hire so many subcontractors cut so many corners the end product would be unrecognizable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 11 months ago* (3 children) i mean Edit: sorry, reuters seems to be stripping stuff off of the link. the quote i linked to is Technology giants Alphabet, Amazon, Microsoft, and IBM were named as "central to Israel's surveillance apparatus and the ongoing Gaza destruction." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (2 children) It takes all of them plus the Zionist state, for something smaller than California. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) fair enough. i just know ibm is a big actor with many european governments as well, more so than the others. probably by virtue of having been around a lot longer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago And certain preexisting relationships. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (10 children) Yes but I don't think anyone but the ccp is capable of actually doing that competently at the scale of a large country. Maybe ten years ago google might've had a shot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 11 months ago (9 children) doing it incompetently is arguably worse, because that involves storing way too much info and sharing it too freely. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago* (8 children) Yeah. I'm not a fan of any if this, but nobody cares when you say 'dont be evil¹'; not being pointlessly recklessly evil isn't a serious grown-up policy. better to do a political Tesla valve; introduce competing contradictory evil, dilute the propaganda, and arrest momemtym ¹except HUAC. HUAC cares. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 11 months ago (7 children) you say that, but if that was the case why would ibm go to all that trouble to get an exclusion from the json user agreement clause "the software shall be used for good, not evil"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (6 children) Yeah they did the 30s/40s equivalent, but I don't think they still have the functional capacity to work at that scale. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 11 months ago (5 children) they probably do, just that we don't get to hear about it until a couple of years have passed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago* (4 children) No like i don't think they're still competent enough. Morally, sure, thry could be that evil. If, say, Denver needed that database, they'd do it before the check cleared. I dont think they could do it for a large country. They would want to, they would take the contract, ans it would hire so many subcontractors cut so many corners the end product would be unrecognizable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 11 months ago* (3 children) i mean Edit: sorry, reuters seems to be stripping stuff off of the link. the quote i linked to is Technology giants Alphabet, Amazon, Microsoft, and IBM were named as "central to Israel's surveillance apparatus and the ongoing Gaza destruction." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (2 children) It takes all of them plus the Zionist state, for something smaller than California. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) fair enough. i just know ibm is a big actor with many european governments as well, more so than the others. probably by virtue of having been around a lot longer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago And certain preexisting relationships. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 11 months ago (9 children) doing it incompetently is arguably worse, because that involves storing way too much info and sharing it too freely. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago* (8 children) Yeah. I'm not a fan of any if this, but nobody cares when you say 'dont be evil¹'; not being pointlessly recklessly evil isn't a serious grown-up policy. better to do a political Tesla valve; introduce competing contradictory evil, dilute the propaganda, and arrest momemtym ¹except HUAC. HUAC cares. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 11 months ago (7 children) you say that, but if that was the case why would ibm go to all that trouble to get an exclusion from the json user agreement clause "the software shall be used for good, not evil"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (6 children) Yeah they did the 30s/40s equivalent, but I don't think they still have the functional capacity to work at that scale. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 11 months ago (5 children) they probably do, just that we don't get to hear about it until a couple of years have passed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago* (4 children) No like i don't think they're still competent enough. Morally, sure, thry could be that evil. If, say, Denver needed that database, they'd do it before the check cleared. I dont think they could do it for a large country. They would want to, they would take the contract, ans it would hire so many subcontractors cut so many corners the end product would be unrecognizable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 11 months ago* (3 children) i mean Edit: sorry, reuters seems to be stripping stuff off of the link. the quote i linked to is Technology giants Alphabet, Amazon, Microsoft, and IBM were named as "central to Israel's surveillance apparatus and the ongoing Gaza destruction." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (2 children) It takes all of them plus the Zionist state, for something smaller than California. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) fair enough. i just know ibm is a big actor with many european governments as well, more so than the others. probably by virtue of having been around a lot longer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago And certain preexisting relationships. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago* (8 children) Yeah. I'm not a fan of any if this, but nobody cares when you say 'dont be evil¹'; not being pointlessly recklessly evil isn't a serious grown-up policy. better to do a political Tesla valve; introduce competing contradictory evil, dilute the propaganda, and arrest momemtym ¹except HUAC. HUAC cares. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 11 months ago (7 children) you say that, but if that was the case why would ibm go to all that trouble to get an exclusion from the json user agreement clause "the software shall be used for good, not evil"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (6 children) Yeah they did the 30s/40s equivalent, but I don't think they still have the functional capacity to work at that scale. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 11 months ago (5 children) they probably do, just that we don't get to hear about it until a couple of years have passed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago* (4 children) No like i don't think they're still competent enough. Morally, sure, thry could be that evil. If, say, Denver needed that database, they'd do it before the check cleared. I dont think they could do it for a large country. They would want to, they would take the contract, ans it would hire so many subcontractors cut so many corners the end product would be unrecognizable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 11 months ago* (3 children) i mean Edit: sorry, reuters seems to be stripping stuff off of the link. the quote i linked to is Technology giants Alphabet, Amazon, Microsoft, and IBM were named as "central to Israel's surveillance apparatus and the ongoing Gaza destruction." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (2 children) It takes all of them plus the Zionist state, for something smaller than California. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) fair enough. i just know ibm is a big actor with many european governments as well, more so than the others. probably by virtue of having been around a lot longer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago And certain preexisting relationships. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 11 months ago (7 children) you say that, but if that was the case why would ibm go to all that trouble to get an exclusion from the json user agreement clause "the software shall be used for good, not evil"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (6 children) Yeah they did the 30s/40s equivalent, but I don't think they still have the functional capacity to work at that scale. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 11 months ago (5 children) they probably do, just that we don't get to hear about it until a couple of years have passed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago* (4 children) No like i don't think they're still competent enough. Morally, sure, thry could be that evil. If, say, Denver needed that database, they'd do it before the check cleared. I dont think they could do it for a large country. They would want to, they would take the contract, ans it would hire so many subcontractors cut so many corners the end product would be unrecognizable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 11 months ago* (3 children) i mean Edit: sorry, reuters seems to be stripping stuff off of the link. the quote i linked to is Technology giants Alphabet, Amazon, Microsoft, and IBM were named as "central to Israel's surveillance apparatus and the ongoing Gaza destruction." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (2 children) It takes all of them plus the Zionist state, for something smaller than California. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) fair enough. i just know ibm is a big actor with many european governments as well, more so than the others. probably by virtue of having been around a lot longer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago And certain preexisting relationships. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (6 children) Yeah they did the 30s/40s equivalent, but I don't think they still have the functional capacity to work at that scale. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 11 months ago (5 children) they probably do, just that we don't get to hear about it until a couple of years have passed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago* (4 children) No like i don't think they're still competent enough. Morally, sure, thry could be that evil. If, say, Denver needed that database, they'd do it before the check cleared. I dont think they could do it for a large country. They would want to, they would take the contract, ans it would hire so many subcontractors cut so many corners the end product would be unrecognizable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 11 months ago* (3 children) i mean Edit: sorry, reuters seems to be stripping stuff off of the link. the quote i linked to is Technology giants Alphabet, Amazon, Microsoft, and IBM were named as "central to Israel's surveillance apparatus and the ongoing Gaza destruction." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (2 children) It takes all of them plus the Zionist state, for something smaller than California. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) fair enough. i just know ibm is a big actor with many european governments as well, more so than the others. probably by virtue of having been around a lot longer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago And certain preexisting relationships. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 11 months ago (5 children) they probably do, just that we don't get to hear about it until a couple of years have passed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago* (4 children) No like i don't think they're still competent enough. Morally, sure, thry could be that evil. If, say, Denver needed that database, they'd do it before the check cleared. I dont think they could do it for a large country. They would want to, they would take the contract, ans it would hire so many subcontractors cut so many corners the end product would be unrecognizable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 11 months ago* (3 children) i mean Edit: sorry, reuters seems to be stripping stuff off of the link. the quote i linked to is Technology giants Alphabet, Amazon, Microsoft, and IBM were named as "central to Israel's surveillance apparatus and the ongoing Gaza destruction." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (2 children) It takes all of them plus the Zionist state, for something smaller than California. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) fair enough. i just know ibm is a big actor with many european governments as well, more so than the others. probably by virtue of having been around a lot longer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago And certain preexisting relationships. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago* (4 children) No like i don't think they're still competent enough. Morally, sure, thry could be that evil. If, say, Denver needed that database, they'd do it before the check cleared. I dont think they could do it for a large country. They would want to, they would take the contract, ans it would hire so many subcontractors cut so many corners the end product would be unrecognizable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 11 months ago* (3 children) i mean Edit: sorry, reuters seems to be stripping stuff off of the link. the quote i linked to is Technology giants Alphabet, Amazon, Microsoft, and IBM were named as "central to Israel's surveillance apparatus and the ongoing Gaza destruction." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (2 children) It takes all of them plus the Zionist state, for something smaller than California. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) fair enough. i just know ibm is a big actor with many european governments as well, more so than the others. probably by virtue of having been around a lot longer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago And certain preexisting relationships. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 11 months ago* (3 children) i mean Edit: sorry, reuters seems to be stripping stuff off of the link. the quote i linked to is Technology giants Alphabet, Amazon, Microsoft, and IBM were named as "central to Israel's surveillance apparatus and the ongoing Gaza destruction." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (2 children) It takes all of them plus the Zionist state, for something smaller than California. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) fair enough. i just know ibm is a big actor with many european governments as well, more so than the others. probably by virtue of having been around a lot longer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago And certain preexisting relationships. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (2 children) It takes all of them plus the Zionist state, for something smaller than California. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) fair enough. i just know ibm is a big actor with many european governments as well, more so than the others. probably by virtue of having been around a lot longer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago And certain preexisting relationships. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lime@feddit.nu 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) fair enough. i just know ibm is a big actor with many european governments as well, more so than the others. probably by virtue of having been around a lot longer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago And certain preexisting relationships. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago And certain preexisting relationships. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago Just send one (1) child picture. permalink fedilink source parent