Rule of law is obviously sympathetic to Hamas.

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[+] 66 points 11 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (12 children)
  • [–] 45 points 11 months ago (10 children)

    Every military ever.

    The concept that a soldier is able to disobey an illegal order is flawed. The first thing that happens to them is being thrown in jail awaiting court martial. It's then on them to prove the order illegal be ause the presumption is that it was legal. It becomes one person against the whole military apparatus.

    The penalty if found guilty of refusing to obey orders? At minimum (in the US) a dishonorable discharge. At most a room on death row.

    I still think soldier should refuse illegal orders, but the system is setup so they don't.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    You should update your minimum. In the US military It’s actually an NJP to start. You can request court martial if desired and it goes from there.
    Dishonorable discharge is very rare and you’re likely to end up with an OTH or BCD if the “infraction” is significant. I’d rather have some jail time than shoot civilians tbh.

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago* (3 children)

    Not even an NJP if you're a Nuke. I've told admirals to their face that I wasn't going to break the book to follow their stupid orders. I realize we are the prima donnas of the military though, and I wasn't just a Nuke.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    The US has no draft, they choose to join, so they can go fuck themselves.
    Assassins paid with taxpayer money, that's all they are.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Israel does. Compulsory service.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    They're not that dissimilar, both indoctrinate exceptionalism and fascism into their kids from an early age, the difference being that usonians go overseas to liberate other people of their oil, whereas israelis have war zones (they create) geographically close, so a bit of incentive is required for them to join the meat grinder. Not much though.

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