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Israel does not control America. (hexbear.net)
submitted 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) by to c/chapotraphouse@hexbear.net
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Israeli and Zionist influence in the USA is a purposeful choice of the American government. It allows the American government to circumvent many domestic and international laws by allowing Israeli firms to do the spying and dirty work for them. Israel is essentially a rogue state that is entirely controlled by the American intelligence apparatus (and therefore, American capital). This has created a feedback loop of constantly reinforcing settler colonialism and American economic extraction of the Middle East. If America withdrew support to Israel, this feedback loop would cease and Israel would be greatly diminished or completely collapse.

Saying Israel controls America is simply wrong, stop saying this. I will remove your post. ✌️

edit: altered title for clarification and to avoid nonsensical semantic arguments

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[–] 27 points 11 months ago (7 children)

Oh we got 2 threads about this. I'll post the same thing in both. I will not argue with anyone about this.

"Isreal has a powerful lobby with lots of Western backing and a far reaching influence as a result" is fine.

"I'm gonna use neo Nazi terminology that originates from white supremacist conspiracy views about how Jews secretly control everything" is not.

It's honestly not even that complicated. One is factual. The other is neo Nazi propaganda. Hexbear can do better. Death death to the IOF

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  • [–] 36 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (4 children)

    the issue here is that nobody seems to know who or what the fuck yall are talking about with this nazi propaganda supposedly being an issue on hexbear. who here can say they've run into antisemites or antisemitism here? i've read about a billion posts on this site criticizing israel, israel's influence in western governments. not once have i read any sort of antisemitic conspiracy theories, it's all based entirely in material analysis and using our own eyeballs and ears.

    some mod can make a post like this, then suddenly criticizing aipac is antisemitic and posts about who is taking money from israel, or about how you have to sign a loyalty pledge to israel to be a fuckin mailman in the US will be removed for "antisemitism"

    i really think mods need to hold some sort of vote on this, because judging by the replies in this thread the userbase seems to really not know what yall are on. i can't speak for everyone ofc but i do not wanna use a website that conflates criticisms of the zionist entity with being antisemitic. hexbear is quite literally the only place online where at least right now, you can freely criticize israel without being censored or fearing that you're secretly interacting with a bunch of nazis. granted i dont look at the mod log, maybe there are a ton of antisemites washing their antisemitism with criticisms of israels. i definitely don't see it tho and it doesn't seem like anyone else on this site does either?

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  • [–] 16 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    They're probably on edge because of this:

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  • [–] 20 points 11 months ago

    Then they should clarify their intentions.

    People in this thread investigating and speculating regarding the motivations of site mods/admins as though they were Q. Why can't mods/admins speak for themselves to a clear way? Making everyone chase them around like this is such strange undisciplined behavior.

    My impression previously was that mods/admins understand this kind of scrutiny on their every action is possible but like anyone else don't want to have the whole site breathing down their necks while they work. Taking such puzzling actions heavily encourages people to monitor them all the time which in the long run will only be uncomfortable for them. It would be much smarter to take the time to write something up instead of relying on others to sniff up the breadcrumbs and put together a theory of mind on that basis.

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  • [–] 17 points 11 months ago

    lol that's the first time i've ever seen anyone use that term on this site. i do think that should be removed, to be clear. with that being said, i would also look at that user's profile history and see what kinda stuff they post. their name is familiar but i don't know them off the top of my head. it could be that they just saw that term and used it not knowing what it really meant and thought it was just short term for zionist or some shit. no reason to see one person use a term 3 days ago then make a post about the widespread antisemitism on this site and acting like you're gonna start cracking down on it

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago

    I've seen it here n there. And swift, consistent mod action will obviously discourage it. So it it somewhat a case where absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. On the other instances I have seen a lot and it looks to be very difficult to effectively moderate once the claws get in.

    But I agree with you that this OP is confusing and unhelpful. I have no idea why (or even if) anybody thought this would be productive towards the stated goal.

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  • [–] 15 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    So in order to understand the rules by which the site is governed, everyone needs to read this whole thread, now approaching 100 comments and surely will get many more, to find this special one that has the correct articulation?

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