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[–] 28 points 11 months ago (11 children)

A lot of proprietary tools like VScode and Jetbrains are needed on Linux if you’re a novice or not yet proficient with tools like EMacs/Vi yet. For example I couldn’t get Vscodium to load an extension I needed so I had to use VScode. But tbh I’m just making excuses cuz I don’t know how to set up a good dev environment :-(

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago

    Technically it's even a ToS violation to install extensions from the VS Code marketplace (or whatever it's called) if you're using VS Codium. Many are also available somewhere else like the code forge where they're developed and are under open source or free software licenses, but quite a few important ones are only available through the one distribution channel you're not allowed to use, and contain proprietary components that can't be forked to lift this restriction.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago* (9 children)

    Personally, I find Kate is decent enough for most coding tasks. It does not have an open plugin ecosystem, so I guess, maybe it wouldn't work for you. But aside from plugins, whenever I see people using VS Code/-ium, I wonder why they keep raving about it.

    It just looks like a bogstandard editor with LSP support to me. And Microsoft may have gotten that LSP ball rolling, but it's supported in lots of editors now...

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (8 children)

    VScode is certainly a heck of a lot easier to get LSPs working than e.g. vim.

    If someone made it actually easy to set up neovim with lsp support that works as well as with vscode, there'd be no reason to give Microsoft any attention at all

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    Is the LSP support a plugin in Neo-/Vim ?

    In Kate, you just install the LSP server, which is typically as simple as apt install marksman and then Kate will automatically start it when it encounters an appropriate file.

    Kate also has a Vi Mode, if that's what you're looking for. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    The LSP support itself is builtin in Neovim (not in Vim though, AFAIK), but each language server needs to be configured and activated. There is a plugin with all(ish) configurations - https://github.com/neovim/nvim-lspconfig - and activation is done with a vim.lsp.enable("server-name") command, which you just put in your config and the Neovim will start the LSP when you open a relevant file.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (1 child)

    Ah, I guess that makes sense. Kate automatically detects available LSP server executables but then prompts you before starting them for the first time, in case you did not install that and it's malware, or I guess, in case you just placed a script there which happened to be called the same, but would be very bad to run.

    Neovim could theoretically do that, too, but then you need a way to block executables, so that it stops prompting you every time, which you'd probably want in a separate config file.
    So, it's definitely a simpler solution and perhaps moreso what one would expect from a TUI editor, for you to just list the ones to run in the config file.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    Neovim has something better - there is a plugin that installs the servers for you - https://github.com/mason-org/mason.nvim - and then you can just use the servers that plugin has installed (which should be more trustworthy because you just need to trust the plugin and not some random executable)

    There is also https://github.com/mason-org/mason-lspconfig.nvim which bridges the two and automatically enables servers that were installed via Mason.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Where might I find a list of languages/LSPs that Kate supports and will load automatically like that?

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 11 months ago

    This was one of my biggest issues, but I did manage to succesfully switch to nvim few months ago, by installing ideavim into Rider, vscode-vim into vscode (so I can't easily escape it when I get lazy), but most importantly - setting LazyVim as my default editor, which has been a lifesaver.

    It has a pretty good LazyExtras interface for easily installing a ton of plugins, almost for every language. You just open the LazyVim menu, select a language you want, and it installs LSPs, debuggers and whatnot you may need for it. It's probably using the nvim-lspconfig mentioned in other comments, but it has been pretty seamless.

    But any other pre-made nvim config will work, this one is just more approachable than someone's random plugin list.

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