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Like Windows explorer but better (lemmy.world)
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[–] 44 points 11 months ago (47 children)

I know this is the wrong place to say this, but I really like the Windows Explorer. Dolphin is a good replacement, but it would be one of the few things I'd like to keep on Linux.

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  • [–] [S] 110 points 11 months ago* (24 children)

    I just updated to Windows 11 and oh boy has it gotten worse when compared to 10...

    The UI, useless spacing in between items, 2nd context menu, gigantic bars on top, the somehow missing create folder button, OneDrive Integration, "Pin to quick access" everywhere, freezing up when creating thumbnails, constantly somehow resetting the layout of the user home and I'm just getting started... But hey it got tabs now

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  • [–] 30 points 11 months ago* (7 children)

    I was a win10 user because I was forced to update from 7. So I got really annoyed when I saw the new context menu for dumdums. It's useless.

    If I ever need to install windows 11, either on a virtual machine or for a family member, I run a script that returns the old context menu (and several others that remove a bunch of bloat and de-activate internet search on the searchbar)

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Ohh not totally for dumdums. The design of the old context menu is one of Explorer's greatest weaknesses.

    When you right click that menu, every context application DLL listed in the registry needs to load. So if you have an end user with a bunch of context apps. mp3tag, smartrename,scan for viruses or even worse some dll that needs a network resource to init. that context menu can take 5-10 seconds to load on an old encumbered system.

    9/10 they just want to right click and open with or rename, so there's a cheap menu with no dll loading and an option to load them anyway.

    I feel you, I set my win11 desktop to show the old style too, but the idea behind it isn't bad.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Wouldn't the better idea have been to load specific DLLs on activation of a function then? Dicking over users that know how to use their OS for the sake of digital slobs seems unfair.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago

    There's a million different design problems in all of Windows. There's probably a million better ways to fix the problem.

    I'm just saying that what they did isn't without merit. And they did leave you the option to turn it off.

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Microsoft has been doing the most to break those. I was using PatchExplorer which has a lot of these features. Microsoft broke the ability to completely remove that awful, wasted space for “Recommended” in the Start Menu. It’s absolutely useless and an eyesore.

    But it at least still worked to revert the context menu to what it should be. I hate always having to figure out what icon is for copy/paste/delete than just having the damn word and also having to go to the old context for 7zip/other third party apps.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Its because the recommended is literally ads. Microsoft is putting ads on the start menu. If that cant get someone to switch to Linux, nothing can

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago

    Yep, that’s exactly what I realized too and why they’re hellbent on it being there.

    I am no longer using Windows at home except a server I’m working on moving to Linux and it’s partly because of this. I’ve given up on Windows.

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  • [–] 14 points 11 months ago

    Microsoft messed up File Explorer tabs. If you make a new tab, start a search, the close the tab before the search finishes, you break the URL/path bar text. You cannot see what directory you are in unless you click the path bar. The only way to fix it is you restart the application.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (10 children)

    Explorer on windows 11 has gotten better in a lot of ways and only worse in a few.

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  • [–] [S] 8 points 11 months ago (9 children)

    has gotten better in a lot of ways

    Feel free to name them...

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago (7 children)

    Tabs? That’s pretty major.

    Also that right click menu is lighters faster than the old school menu. Every application and their mother wants to add shit to the right click menu and it would lag out to the point it would take 10 seconds to open. The new one doesn’t have that issue anymore.

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  • [–] 12 points 11 months ago* (2 children)

    Uh... The new one literally takes a couple of seconds to remember that OneDrive and Notepad++ exist when I use it on my work PC, all while entries towards the bottom keep shifting around.

    It's completely unusable.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Fast on my machine even with NP++. It did slow it down a smidge though when 4 things got added.

    Maybe it's just OneDrive being a piece of shit? I don't have it in my right click menu for some raisin.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    Might be, tbh. I never noticed it on my Surface, which has OneDrive disabled, but I used that one was less. Or maybe it's some other garbage on the corporate laptop causing issues (like Trellix).

    Now you made me want to investigate.

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    It still has the old annoying bug where the entire explorer.exe crashes if your mouse cursor gets anywhere near a network drive that can't be reached. Accidentally hover over its icon in the left sidebar, and explorer just freezes up unrecoverably. I guess the technology to safely handle hovering over the icon of a disconnected drive is just not there yet.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    I have honestly no idea how microsoft still hasn't fixed that issue. Granted I've never had it crash from waiting for a directory to respond, it just waits the full 1 minute for the packet to die before coming back.

    Also can't say I've had it happen for stuff pinned to the side bar, only when typing it in, or clicking on a mapped directory on the "this pc"

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Also that right click menu is lighters faster than the old school menu. Every application and their mother wants to add shit to the right click menu and it would lag out to the point it would take 10 seconds to open.

    if you don't install all the garbage of the internet, that's not a problem. it can also be cleaned up, even without regedit.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    if you don’t install all the garbage of the internet, that’s not a problem. it can also be cleaned up, even without regedit.

    I rather like having the context there in the submenu. it's one more click. but it's fast, and I don't need to tag this mp3 every time I right click->open with, but I do miss it if I don't have that option anywhere. And they made it optional.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago

    Split view, tabs, drag and drop to the addressbar. The ui looks cleaner compared to win 10.

    Negative is that one drive got even more embedded and they fucked up the right click menu.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    At least on linux you have the choice. Somehow however, it seems so many people like to recreate or even worsen the windows experience. I guess Unixporn didn’t make it to lemmy, but half of those did not feel usable. Why would I want one inch wide gaps between everything?

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  • [–] 35 points 11 months ago (8 children)

    GET THE TORCHES AND PITCHFORKS!!!

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  • [+] 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (7 children)
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  • [–] 13 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    I wouldn't say like, I just don't know how to quit it.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

    like? I fing love Vim. It's like a peanut butter and jelly sandwich made of sunk cost fallacy and Stockholm syndrome.

    I've spent years using it, so I know every (reasonable) key combination and don't need my mouse* to wiz around even very large documents. It's on every pc/server I use by default, it's on my phone. I can run it on a server from a console window with no window manager.

    I get there's a lot not to like, but it's like 10% of my DevOPS superpower.

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  • [–] 14 points 11 months ago* (5 children)

    But... Why? It's just a mediocre and laggy copy of Dolphin.

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  • [–] 14 points 11 months ago* (4 children)

    Okay, I'm generally on the side if dolphin UI-wise, but when it comes to the topic of lagginess, it has to be said that dolphin, and in fact, almost everything using the kio infrastructure, is the one shitting the bed here. You'd think a bit of multithreading will keep the UI from freezing up whenever the underlying I/O has some minor hiccup (which can absolutely happen in practice with network filesystems or USB sticks in combination with large file transfers), but apparently dolphin can't do that.

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  • [–] 13 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Dolphin doesn't lag for me

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  • [–] 12 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

    It lags for me whenever I access some filesystem that takes a while to respond. That could be a faulty or old device, or it could be an NFS share with multiple large file transfers going on in the background.

    And when I say it lags, I don't mean it just takes a while to show me a directory's content, I mean the entire UI freezes and kwin will grey out the window because tha application isn't responding any more.

    This does not happen a lot, and if your file browsing is largely limited to a fast local storage, like a SATA SSD or even an NVMe, you may well never see this problem at all. But it does happen.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago*

    Admittedly I use an NVMe drive but I've never had this happen once in the years I've been using KDE. Dolphin is so much snappier than Windows Explorer on the same hardware that it's almost funny.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Seconded.

    There's a lot of reasons to hate Microsoft. There's a lot of reasons to hate Windows 11.

    Their explorer is't one of them. The new context menus when you right click anywhere is, sure. But explorer and notepad got righteous upgrades.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    The primary differences between Dolphin and Explorer are mainly in speed and the context menus for applications. (which is the reason explorer is more encumbered)

    Since I use context menus on my windows admin workstation, I wouldn't want dolphin there and I sure as hell don't want explorer in my NixOS.

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