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Ariana Grande (lemmy.blahaj.zone)
submitted 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) by to c/whitepeopletwitter@sh.itjust.works
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[–] 42 points 11 months ago* (14 children)

This is not how some Trump voters I know think at all; it's not how they think of Trump. Bring up any of these points and they'd think you're totally paranoid.

I witnessed a group of old guys watching the movie 'One Battle After Another' scratch their heads and have literally, honestly no idea what it was about.

It's because they're in the habit of watching Fox News or other 'old' media. Trump's just some Republican like they've always voted for with a bunch of hysterical finger pointers, and any Democrat is basically Jimmy Carter or Hillary Clinton.

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  • [–] 26 points 11 months ago* (13 children)

    That's only a portion of Trump voters though. There are a lot of younger voters with less ingrained brain washing that came recently from new media.

    I honestly don't know what you do about the people you are speaking of. I have some in my extended family and there is no convincing them of things after 3 decades of programming. Even foundational knowledge isn't the same.

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  • [–] 22 points 11 months ago (9 children)

    You tell them that Donald Trump is a felon. He committed 34 felonies. He was found guilty by a jury. But the judge decided not to punish him. It's a crime that normally gets prison time and Donald Trump belongs in prison, but the judge was scared. They'll try to deflect and make excuses and every time they do, you just repeat "Donald Trump is a felon"

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    That one is pretty straightforward, at least: they don't think trump was really guilty of the crimes he was convicted of. In fact they don't even know what those crimes were, they just assume the charges were baseless and brought by liberal haters. The judge who gave him no punishment was just correcting a wrong done to trump.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    And that's when you say a jury of 12 ordinary people looked at the evidence and said he was guilty. Trump said he didn't do that, so they looked at the records, and they found that Trump falsified business records. He paid a pornstar to cover up an affair and a lawyer to manipulate online polls, both illegally declared as a legal expense. The fraudulent payments helped him illegally influence the outcome of the 2016 election, and are therefore felonies. If he hadn't committed those crimes, he might never have been president in the first place. We don't get to see what a fair election would have looked like because of his crimes, which a jury decided he did indeed commit.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    And that's when they abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago

    It is not that they are afraid of being convinced. They fear only to appear ridiculous or to prejudice by their embarrassment their hope of winning over some third person to their side.

    Don't forget about the last part of the quote. In my opinion it could be there most important part. That is the reason to argue, because we want to show how ridiculous their arguments are to third parties.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

    And that's when you repeat that he's a criminal who rigged two presidencies through fraud and intimidation, and who according to the law belongs in a jail cell at this very moment.

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  • [–] 13 points 11 months ago* (2 children)

    Yeah at some point folks get too old to change. You can try to get them off Fox News at least, but it just depends. Sometimes you can't. Sometimes they really can't even learn a new kind of remote/cable or whatever.

    Younger folks are deep down the influencer rabbit hole, and I don't know what to do about that (other than pushing Fediverse) since Big Tech has such an iron grip on everything. I mean, the future is definitely cyberpunk.

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