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6 in 10 Canadians say they can never trust Americans the same way again (globalnews.ca)
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[–] 28 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Can’t trust Americans or can’t trust the United States because those are two inherently different groups.

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  • [–] 36 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    both... after electing a convicted felon and rapist to the presidency for a SECOND time, Americans cannot escape responsability in my books

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    I can’t blame you. But to quote a movie … “A person is smart. But people are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals…”

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  • [–] 12 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Well, one makes the other.

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    Sorta… But only about 65% of us voted in the last election and of that only 50% voted for these douchebags. And of those, most of them voted that way because of a single R. So I’d guess around 75% of the people don’t agree with what is going on.

    So as a concrete example, I’m an American and I’d go out of my way to help most anyone but I am not the United States.

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  • [–] 15 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Sorry but the 35% who didn't vote, knowing the threat of Trump becoming president again was looming, are no different than those who voted Republican.

    The whole world remember his first presidential term. And we all saw the Project 2025 playbook. The US is in a mess of its own creation.

    As a Brit, I too have lost trust in Americans unless proved otherwise.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Oh I know, I don’t blame you in the least. I’m losing trust in my fellow Americans. The whole process was just a major fustercluck. I woke up the morning after with a serious case of dread of what was about to happen. The apathy in this country is a major issue no doubt. I’m hopeful that as shit gets worse and worse, the apathy goes away. If it doesn’t, then Handmaid’s Tale becomes more of a playbook and less a work of fiction.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Sure not everyone is on board, especially how it's going lately, but you do spell it out kind of. Only 65% voted, that's 35% who just decided to like give up or something. A third of you. Then a third voted MAGA, a thorn other.

    That's the danger of the stupid third.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Right now, they are a danger for more than just Canadians.

    I’m not trying to be an apologist. I’m just saying most of us aren’t that stupid, xenophobic, and racist. But some of us definitely are.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago* (1 child)

    Look, you may be a wonderful person. I know very little about you individually.

    But, by your own numbers, the best we can say about almost 3/4 of Americans is that they are complicit in what is happening. The last election proved that they are at least “ok” with a second Trump administration even after everything that was said and done before election day.

    Given that, I hope you can understand why the rest of the world needs to take a different view than “most of us aren’t that stupid, xenophobic, and racist”.

    Your own evidence (that you presented) does not support your conclusion.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    My only conclusion is that the pain numbers haven’t reached a point that requires action. Most people can’t see the forest for the trees and are painfully oblivious to what is going on because of whatever reason. Stupidity, willfully ignorance, it’s hurting the”right” people more, etc.

    And by “my numbers” it’s more like 50%-60%. I just want you to understand that just because the government is doing it, doesn’t mean a plurality of the citizens feel the same way. Hell even some of the most ardent GOPers are starting to balk at the shit that’s happening.

    Now, with that said, I would not come to the US as a foreigner for any reason right now whatsoever. It’s just not worth it.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago*

    By your numbers, 30% of Americans voted to keep Trump away from the Presidency. The other 70% did nothing to keep him out of office.

    70% of Americans were happy enough with a Trump presidency that they at the very least did not lift a finger to prevent it. And 50% of the 70% actively supported him.

    Was there a car show on that day?

    Why now do we want to say that the 70% that enabled Trump “do not feel the same way”?

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Americans always tell themselves these lies. Yes, only 65% voted, but the ones who didn't vote weren't all non-voting democrats. About half would have voted Trump if they'd voted. It's not some small minority that supported Trump, it was a majority.

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  • [–] -2 points 11 months ago*

    only about 65% of us voted in the last election and of that only 50% voted for these douchebags

    So what you are saying is that the overwhelming majority of you participated in the election of Donald Trump.

    Got it.

    What was your other point again?

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    In the sense that the government and the people are misaligned? Or is this one of those “you’re united statesian, there are 30 countries in America” takes?

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    The first. I don’t even know what the second thing is. 🤷

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Ah, Threads and some other lower quality social media are full of people making snarky comments to users from the States, saying something to the effect of “we are also in the Americas, so we’re Americans, you’re a US-ian”.

    It all basically stems from the fact that in Spanish, the demonym for people from the US is “estadounidense” (United-Statesian) whereas “America” is used to refer to all of North and South America as a regions. People are too dumb to realise “America” has a different connotation in the two languages and it devolves into flame wars.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    This is almost 100% a latin american thing. They're taught that the americas are a single continent. For some reason they're really stuck on this point as if it's some kind of gotcha (it isn't). Everyone (including them) are aware of what nation is being discussed when we say america/americans. They should just get over it.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago* (1 child)

    Can’t trust Americans or can’t trust the United States because those are two inherently different groups.

    Did I miss the violent military coup?

    I mean, there was that one guy that riled up his supporters to attack the capital. But then 70% of “Americans” participated in his democratic election as President just a few months ago.

    Are you suggesting we trust those guys?

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    There may have been thousands of guns there on Jan 6th but they only found like three in the hands of civilians. You'll know if Americans get riled up enough to attack the capital.

    And no, 70% of the population didn't vote for him, he got just under 50% of the votes, but that was only about 23% of Americans.

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