▲ 260 ▼ Holocaust museum LA retracts their recent statement saying "Never again can't only mean never again for Jews" to support the Israeli Holocaust of Palestinians (lemmy.ml) submitted 1 year ago* by geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml to c/usa@lemmy.ml 67 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] companero@hexbear.net 32 points 1 year ago (36 children) No politik here permalink fedilink source hideshow 36 child comments replies: [–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml [S] 21 points 1 year ago (1 child) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] GenderIsOpSec@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago always makes me laugh that my guy went from talking about the Israhell futbol team into "Free Free Palestine" in under a minute thanks to the least annoying zionists present permalink fedilink source parent [–] Genius@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago (33 children) Everything is political and saying "no politics" just reinforces the status quo. Not that I'd expect a Hexbear user to understand that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 33 child comments replies: [–] Thordros@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago (32 children) It's a bit. Like, "You can't fight in here, this is the War Room!" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 32 child comments replies: [+] Genius@lemmy.zip -11 points 1 year ago (31 children) Oh okay I can't tell when Hexbear users are being stupid on purpose and when it's by accident. It all looks equally asinine to me. Is it also a bit when you say the Uyghur genocide doesn't exist? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 31 child comments replies: [–] Thordros@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago (25 children) Is it also a bit when you say the Uyghur genocide doesn't exist? No, because it doesn't. You can literally hop on a plane and go there, right now, and see with your own eyes that Uyghur culture is alive and thriving. Genocide in Gaza, on the other hand, is quite real. You can try to hop on a boat to go see it, but the perpetrators will kidnap you before you get there. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 25 child comments replies: [–] davel@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago Reporter: [REDACTED] Reason: Genocide denial Yes, reporter, we do deny it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Genius@lemmy.zip -5 points 1 year ago (23 children) Yeah, see, the way you're talking right now looks exactly the same to me as the "no politik" comment permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 23 child comments replies: [–] huf@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago (16 children) yes, we know you're not very smart and also have no idea what hexbear is like (which is why you make up silly shit in your head instead) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [+] Genius@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago (15 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago (13 children) What kind of dumbass point are you trying to make? "I'm broke, therefore there's a genocide in Xinjiang?" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] Genius@lemmy.zip -5 points 1 year ago (12 children) I'm broke, therefore telling me to go to Xinjiang isn't evidence. Like, okay, you're an ml user, so you're going to need an example. Let me make a similar argument. Saturn has a breathable atmosphere! Take a rocket and see for yourself. See how you don't have a rocket, so you can't go to Saturn, so my comment therefore doesn't have any evidence in it? Now pretend Xinjiang is Saturn, and then you'll understand my rebuttal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago (2 children) The idea that your personal finances affect whether there is a genocide is obviously absurd. If you were blind would all visual evidence be invalid? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Genius@lemmy.zip -3 points 1 year ago (1 child) I dunno, go argue with someone who believes the ideas you're attributing to me. I've got no dog in the fight you're having with an imaginary version of me permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Spongebobsquarejuche@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago* In the future try not being a douche. Thank you. (Not that I expect a lemmy.zip user to understand that) permalink fedilink source parent [–] huf@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago (8 children) but the claim "saturn has air on it" is like "there's genocide in xinjiang". you have to bring some evidence for it to be considered. but you dont have that evidence, you just have this vague impression you picked up from US propaganda (mainly zenz), which you never critically evaluated because you automatically think china bad (because of previous US propaganda campaigns) and thus believe every bad thing about them. btw, even the west has mostly dropped this shit years ago, because it became embarrassingly clear that they were lying. please update your programming. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] Genius@lemmy.zip -6 points 1 year ago (7 children) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Uyghurs_in_China Beginning in 2017, under Xinjiang CCP Secretary Chen Quanguo,[3] the government incarcerated over an estimated one million Uyghurs without legal process in internment camps officially described as "vocational education and training centers", in the largest mass internment of an ethnic-religious minority group since World War II. I admit, this article does have some inaccuracies. For example, it calls the imprisonment of Uyghurs the biggest mass internment since WW2, when it's actually the second biggest. Gaza is bigger. But broad strokes, China has been locking people up based on ethnicity, and their birth rates have dropped 20% more than the rest of the country, so they're contributing to the destruction of a people. If this weren't something they were responsible for, I'd say it'd be their ethical duty to distribute aid to assist in the preservation of the Uyghur people. You know, pay for free daycare so young couples can feel safer starting a family. But that sort of thing isn't really a priority in this case, because all the government needs to do in order to not destroy a people is stop persecuting them. China initially denied the existence of the Xinjiang internment camps and attempted to cover up their existence.[90] In 2018, after widespread reporting forced it to admit that the Xinjiang internment camps exist, the Chinese government initiated a campaign to portray the camps as humane and to deny that human rights abuses occurred in Xinjiang. Oh wow I guess the secret camps full of racial minorities that the government tried to cover up must be nice places to live, because the same government says they are, and the government would never lie to people. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, the genocide doesn't exist I guess. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] huf@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago* (5 children) just checked your sources and it's cnn, cnn, some report in the US senate by a US state department employee and fucking adrian zenz. this is exactly what i mean. one of the most islamophobic countries on earth, responsible for the deaths of millions of muslims in just the last 25 years is bringing this noise. btw, what do you think china should have done to combat US-funded fundamentalist islam from encroaching on their territory? should it have let it just continue? should it have allowed the destruction of uyghur culture? should it have bombed xinjiang for 20 years? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Genius@lemmy.zip -3 points 1 year ago (4 children) Well I believe in the Marxian idea that economic situation causes political action, so I think people turn to radical Islam when their lives aren't going well financially and they're frustrated about that. So if I were a member of some theoretical communist organisation controlling China's government, I'd apply a Marxian material analysis and find the economic drivers of radicalisation, and then institute public works projects to address them. Raise minimum wage, improve public transit, universal basic income, build affordable housing, that sort of thing. I wouldn't lock them up and make them do labour, that's America's thing. Modern day China is turning into America 2. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] huf@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago (2 children) well, you'll never believe what china did. it invested heavily in the region, raising living standards by doing those things you listed. it also stopped US funded terrorists from influencing the population. the result was an enormous success, possibly the most successful modern deradicalization program. terror attacks have stopped. and they didnt even have to bomb xinjiang to the ground. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Genius@lemmy.zip -3 points 1 year ago (1 child) Hm, putting people in camps isn't in the list of things you said. You're saying they didn't put people in camps? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Wakmrow@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago It's clearly not a "genocide" and you started the discussion saying hexbear is into genocide denial. If you want to shift the discussion to concentration camps, I think there's certainly a discussion to be had but you'll need to examine the connotations of the words concentration camps due to Western (white) genocides. What was the purpose of the camps and what was the result? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago* Who armed the mujahideen permalink fedilink source parent [–] davel@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago Bringing NATOpedia to a gun fight 🙄 the government incarcerated over an estimated one million Uyghurs without legal process in internment camps Source: Adrien Zenz of the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Wakmrow@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago You can also just watch people visiting xinjiang on YouTube from the comfort of your home. English speaking tourists. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Thordros@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago* (5 children) I'm deadly serious. Five hundred bucks, hop on a plane from LAX to Guangzhou, then grab a cheap connection to Xinjiang. There's some great food in Hami. Try the snow melon. I'd suggest hopping on a plane to go check out Gaza, but the occupiers destroyed all the airports. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Genius@lemmy.zip -2 points 1 year ago (4 children) Well can I have a few thousand dollars to fly to America and five hundred more to fly from LAX to Xinjiang? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Thordros@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago (3 children) Sure thing, let me DM you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Genius@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 year ago (2 children) Okay permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thordros@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago (1 child) "I'm DM'ing you a few thousand dollars." «photo of a pig pooping on its testicles» permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Genius@lemmy.zip -2 points 1 year ago There are no messages in my inbox, coward. If you're gonna harass me with feces, do it right! permalink fedilink source parent [–] huf@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago (3 children) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Genius@lemmy.zip -4 points 1 year ago (2 children) I really want to make a joke about you not knowing about the Uyghur genocide because of the Great Firewall, but unfortunately for comedy, I know 90% of Hexbear users are Americans who've never been to China permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] huf@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] sodium_nitride@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago Junior, stop this charade. permalink fedilink source parent [–] davel@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) Is it also a bit when you say the Uyghur genocide doesn’t exist? We’re not being stupid when we say that the Uyghur genocide doesn’t exist, and anyone who says it does is either a mark or hustler. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml [S] 21 points 1 year ago (1 child) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] GenderIsOpSec@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago always makes me laugh that my guy went from talking about the Israhell futbol team into "Free Free Palestine" in under a minute thanks to the least annoying zionists present permalink fedilink source parent
[–] GenderIsOpSec@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago always makes me laugh that my guy went from talking about the Israhell futbol team into "Free Free Palestine" in under a minute thanks to the least annoying zionists present permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Genius@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago (33 children) Everything is political and saying "no politics" just reinforces the status quo. Not that I'd expect a Hexbear user to understand that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 33 child comments replies: [–] Thordros@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago (32 children) It's a bit. Like, "You can't fight in here, this is the War Room!" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 32 child comments replies: [+] Genius@lemmy.zip -11 points 1 year ago (31 children) Oh okay I can't tell when Hexbear users are being stupid on purpose and when it's by accident. It all looks equally asinine to me. Is it also a bit when you say the Uyghur genocide doesn't exist? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 31 child comments replies: [–] Thordros@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago (25 children) Is it also a bit when you say the Uyghur genocide doesn't exist? No, because it doesn't. You can literally hop on a plane and go there, right now, and see with your own eyes that Uyghur culture is alive and thriving. Genocide in Gaza, on the other hand, is quite real. You can try to hop on a boat to go see it, but the perpetrators will kidnap you before you get there. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 25 child comments replies: [–] davel@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago Reporter: [REDACTED] Reason: Genocide denial Yes, reporter, we do deny it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Genius@lemmy.zip -5 points 1 year ago (23 children) Yeah, see, the way you're talking right now looks exactly the same to me as the "no politik" comment permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 23 child comments replies: [–] huf@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago (16 children) yes, we know you're not very smart and also have no idea what hexbear is like (which is why you make up silly shit in your head instead) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [+] Genius@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago (15 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago (13 children) What kind of dumbass point are you trying to make? "I'm broke, therefore there's a genocide in Xinjiang?" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] Genius@lemmy.zip -5 points 1 year ago (12 children) I'm broke, therefore telling me to go to Xinjiang isn't evidence. Like, okay, you're an ml user, so you're going to need an example. Let me make a similar argument. Saturn has a breathable atmosphere! Take a rocket and see for yourself. See how you don't have a rocket, so you can't go to Saturn, so my comment therefore doesn't have any evidence in it? Now pretend Xinjiang is Saturn, and then you'll understand my rebuttal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago (2 children) The idea that your personal finances affect whether there is a genocide is obviously absurd. If you were blind would all visual evidence be invalid? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Genius@lemmy.zip -3 points 1 year ago (1 child) I dunno, go argue with someone who believes the ideas you're attributing to me. I've got no dog in the fight you're having with an imaginary version of me permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Spongebobsquarejuche@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago* In the future try not being a douche. Thank you. (Not that I expect a lemmy.zip user to understand that) permalink fedilink source parent [–] huf@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago (8 children) but the claim "saturn has air on it" is like "there's genocide in xinjiang". you have to bring some evidence for it to be considered. but you dont have that evidence, you just have this vague impression you picked up from US propaganda (mainly zenz), which you never critically evaluated because you automatically think china bad (because of previous US propaganda campaigns) and thus believe every bad thing about them. btw, even the west has mostly dropped this shit years ago, because it became embarrassingly clear that they were lying. please update your programming. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] Genius@lemmy.zip -6 points 1 year ago (7 children) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Uyghurs_in_China Beginning in 2017, under Xinjiang CCP Secretary Chen Quanguo,[3] the government incarcerated over an estimated one million Uyghurs without legal process in internment camps officially described as "vocational education and training centers", in the largest mass internment of an ethnic-religious minority group since World War II. I admit, this article does have some inaccuracies. For example, it calls the imprisonment of Uyghurs the biggest mass internment since WW2, when it's actually the second biggest. Gaza is bigger. But broad strokes, China has been locking people up based on ethnicity, and their birth rates have dropped 20% more than the rest of the country, so they're contributing to the destruction of a people. If this weren't something they were responsible for, I'd say it'd be their ethical duty to distribute aid to assist in the preservation of the Uyghur people. You know, pay for free daycare so young couples can feel safer starting a family. But that sort of thing isn't really a priority in this case, because all the government needs to do in order to not destroy a people is stop persecuting them. China initially denied the existence of the Xinjiang internment camps and attempted to cover up their existence.[90] In 2018, after widespread reporting forced it to admit that the Xinjiang internment camps exist, the Chinese government initiated a campaign to portray the camps as humane and to deny that human rights abuses occurred in Xinjiang. Oh wow I guess the secret camps full of racial minorities that the government tried to cover up must be nice places to live, because the same government says they are, and the government would never lie to people. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, the genocide doesn't exist I guess. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] huf@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago* (5 children) just checked your sources and it's cnn, cnn, some report in the US senate by a US state department employee and fucking adrian zenz. this is exactly what i mean. one of the most islamophobic countries on earth, responsible for the deaths of millions of muslims in just the last 25 years is bringing this noise. btw, what do you think china should have done to combat US-funded fundamentalist islam from encroaching on their territory? should it have let it just continue? should it have allowed the destruction of uyghur culture? should it have bombed xinjiang for 20 years? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Genius@lemmy.zip -3 points 1 year ago (4 children) Well I believe in the Marxian idea that economic situation causes political action, so I think people turn to radical Islam when their lives aren't going well financially and they're frustrated about that. So if I were a member of some theoretical communist organisation controlling China's government, I'd apply a Marxian material analysis and find the economic drivers of radicalisation, and then institute public works projects to address them. Raise minimum wage, improve public transit, universal basic income, build affordable housing, that sort of thing. I wouldn't lock them up and make them do labour, that's America's thing. Modern day China is turning into America 2. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] huf@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago (2 children) well, you'll never believe what china did. it invested heavily in the region, raising living standards by doing those things you listed. it also stopped US funded terrorists from influencing the population. the result was an enormous success, possibly the most successful modern deradicalization program. terror attacks have stopped. and they didnt even have to bomb xinjiang to the ground. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Genius@lemmy.zip -3 points 1 year ago (1 child) Hm, putting people in camps isn't in the list of things you said. You're saying they didn't put people in camps? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Wakmrow@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago It's clearly not a "genocide" and you started the discussion saying hexbear is into genocide denial. If you want to shift the discussion to concentration camps, I think there's certainly a discussion to be had but you'll need to examine the connotations of the words concentration camps due to Western (white) genocides. What was the purpose of the camps and what was the result? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago* Who armed the mujahideen permalink fedilink source parent [–] davel@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago Bringing NATOpedia to a gun fight 🙄 the government incarcerated over an estimated one million Uyghurs without legal process in internment camps Source: Adrien Zenz of the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Wakmrow@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago You can also just watch people visiting xinjiang on YouTube from the comfort of your home. English speaking tourists. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Thordros@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago* (5 children) I'm deadly serious. Five hundred bucks, hop on a plane from LAX to Guangzhou, then grab a cheap connection to Xinjiang. There's some great food in Hami. Try the snow melon. I'd suggest hopping on a plane to go check out Gaza, but the occupiers destroyed all the airports. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Genius@lemmy.zip -2 points 1 year ago (4 children) Well can I have a few thousand dollars to fly to America and five hundred more to fly from LAX to Xinjiang? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Thordros@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago (3 children) Sure thing, let me DM you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Genius@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 year ago (2 children) Okay permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thordros@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago (1 child) "I'm DM'ing you a few thousand dollars." «photo of a pig pooping on its testicles» permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Genius@lemmy.zip -2 points 1 year ago There are no messages in my inbox, coward. If you're gonna harass me with feces, do it right! permalink fedilink source parent [–] huf@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago (3 children) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Genius@lemmy.zip -4 points 1 year ago (2 children) I really want to make a joke about you not knowing about the Uyghur genocide because of the Great Firewall, but unfortunately for comedy, I know 90% of Hexbear users are Americans who've never been to China permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] huf@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] sodium_nitride@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago Junior, stop this charade. permalink fedilink source parent [–] davel@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) Is it also a bit when you say the Uyghur genocide doesn’t exist? We’re not being stupid when we say that the Uyghur genocide doesn’t exist, and anyone who says it does is either a mark or hustler. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Thordros@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago (32 children) It's a bit. Like, "You can't fight in here, this is the War Room!" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 32 child comments replies: [+] Genius@lemmy.zip -11 points 1 year ago (31 children) Oh okay I can't tell when Hexbear users are being stupid on purpose and when it's by accident. It all looks equally asinine to me. Is it also a bit when you say the Uyghur genocide doesn't exist? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 31 child comments replies: [–] Thordros@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago (25 children) Is it also a bit when you say the Uyghur genocide doesn't exist? No, because it doesn't. You can literally hop on a plane and go there, right now, and see with your own eyes that Uyghur culture is alive and thriving. Genocide in Gaza, on the other hand, is quite real. You can try to hop on a boat to go see it, but the perpetrators will kidnap you before you get there. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 25 child comments replies: [–] davel@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago Reporter: [REDACTED] Reason: Genocide denial Yes, reporter, we do deny it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Genius@lemmy.zip -5 points 1 year ago (23 children) Yeah, see, the way you're talking right now looks exactly the same to me as the "no politik" comment permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 23 child comments replies: [–] huf@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago (16 children) yes, we know you're not very smart and also have no idea what hexbear is like (which is why you make up silly shit in your head instead) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [+] Genius@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago (15 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago (13 children) What kind of dumbass point are you trying to make? "I'm broke, therefore there's a genocide in Xinjiang?" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] Genius@lemmy.zip -5 points 1 year ago (12 children) I'm broke, therefore telling me to go to Xinjiang isn't evidence. Like, okay, you're an ml user, so you're going to need an example. Let me make a similar argument. Saturn has a breathable atmosphere! Take a rocket and see for yourself. See how you don't have a rocket, so you can't go to Saturn, so my comment therefore doesn't have any evidence in it? Now pretend Xinjiang is Saturn, and then you'll understand my rebuttal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago (2 children) The idea that your personal finances affect whether there is a genocide is obviously absurd. If you were blind would all visual evidence be invalid? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Genius@lemmy.zip -3 points 1 year ago (1 child) I dunno, go argue with someone who believes the ideas you're attributing to me. I've got no dog in the fight you're having with an imaginary version of me permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Spongebobsquarejuche@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago* In the future try not being a douche. Thank you. (Not that I expect a lemmy.zip user to understand that) permalink fedilink source parent [–] huf@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago (8 children) but the claim "saturn has air on it" is like "there's genocide in xinjiang". you have to bring some evidence for it to be considered. but you dont have that evidence, you just have this vague impression you picked up from US propaganda (mainly zenz), which you never critically evaluated because you automatically think china bad (because of previous US propaganda campaigns) and thus believe every bad thing about them. btw, even the west has mostly dropped this shit years ago, because it became embarrassingly clear that they were lying. please update your programming. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] Genius@lemmy.zip -6 points 1 year ago (7 children) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Uyghurs_in_China Beginning in 2017, under Xinjiang CCP Secretary Chen Quanguo,[3] the government incarcerated over an estimated one million Uyghurs without legal process in internment camps officially described as "vocational education and training centers", in the largest mass internment of an ethnic-religious minority group since World War II. I admit, this article does have some inaccuracies. For example, it calls the imprisonment of Uyghurs the biggest mass internment since WW2, when it's actually the second biggest. Gaza is bigger. But broad strokes, China has been locking people up based on ethnicity, and their birth rates have dropped 20% more than the rest of the country, so they're contributing to the destruction of a people. If this weren't something they were responsible for, I'd say it'd be their ethical duty to distribute aid to assist in the preservation of the Uyghur people. You know, pay for free daycare so young couples can feel safer starting a family. But that sort of thing isn't really a priority in this case, because all the government needs to do in order to not destroy a people is stop persecuting them. China initially denied the existence of the Xinjiang internment camps and attempted to cover up their existence.[90] In 2018, after widespread reporting forced it to admit that the Xinjiang internment camps exist, the Chinese government initiated a campaign to portray the camps as humane and to deny that human rights abuses occurred in Xinjiang. Oh wow I guess the secret camps full of racial minorities that the government tried to cover up must be nice places to live, because the same government says they are, and the government would never lie to people. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, the genocide doesn't exist I guess. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] huf@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago* (5 children) just checked your sources and it's cnn, cnn, some report in the US senate by a US state department employee and fucking adrian zenz. this is exactly what i mean. one of the most islamophobic countries on earth, responsible for the deaths of millions of muslims in just the last 25 years is bringing this noise. btw, what do you think china should have done to combat US-funded fundamentalist islam from encroaching on their territory? should it have let it just continue? should it have allowed the destruction of uyghur culture? should it have bombed xinjiang for 20 years? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Genius@lemmy.zip -3 points 1 year ago (4 children) Well I believe in the Marxian idea that economic situation causes political action, so I think people turn to radical Islam when their lives aren't going well financially and they're frustrated about that. So if I were a member of some theoretical communist organisation controlling China's government, I'd apply a Marxian material analysis and find the economic drivers of radicalisation, and then institute public works projects to address them. Raise minimum wage, improve public transit, universal basic income, build affordable housing, that sort of thing. I wouldn't lock them up and make them do labour, that's America's thing. Modern day China is turning into America 2. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] huf@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago (2 children) well, you'll never believe what china did. it invested heavily in the region, raising living standards by doing those things you listed. it also stopped US funded terrorists from influencing the population. the result was an enormous success, possibly the most successful modern deradicalization program. terror attacks have stopped. and they didnt even have to bomb xinjiang to the ground. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Genius@lemmy.zip -3 points 1 year ago (1 child) Hm, putting people in camps isn't in the list of things you said. You're saying they didn't put people in camps? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Wakmrow@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago It's clearly not a "genocide" and you started the discussion saying hexbear is into genocide denial. If you want to shift the discussion to concentration camps, I think there's certainly a discussion to be had but you'll need to examine the connotations of the words concentration camps due to Western (white) genocides. What was the purpose of the camps and what was the result? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago* Who armed the mujahideen permalink fedilink source parent [–] davel@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago Bringing NATOpedia to a gun fight 🙄 the government incarcerated over an estimated one million Uyghurs without legal process in internment camps Source: Adrien Zenz of the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Wakmrow@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago You can also just watch people visiting xinjiang on YouTube from the comfort of your home. English speaking tourists. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Thordros@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago* (5 children) I'm deadly serious. Five hundred bucks, hop on a plane from LAX to Guangzhou, then grab a cheap connection to Xinjiang. There's some great food in Hami. Try the snow melon. I'd suggest hopping on a plane to go check out Gaza, but the occupiers destroyed all the airports. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Genius@lemmy.zip -2 points 1 year ago (4 children) Well can I have a few thousand dollars to fly to America and five hundred more to fly from LAX to Xinjiang? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Thordros@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago (3 children) Sure thing, let me DM you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Genius@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 year ago (2 children) Okay permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thordros@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago (1 child) "I'm DM'ing you a few thousand dollars." «photo of a pig pooping on its testicles» permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Genius@lemmy.zip -2 points 1 year ago There are no messages in my inbox, coward. If you're gonna harass me with feces, do it right! permalink fedilink source parent [–] huf@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago (3 children) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Genius@lemmy.zip -4 points 1 year ago (2 children) I really want to make a joke about you not knowing about the Uyghur genocide because of the Great Firewall, but unfortunately for comedy, I know 90% of Hexbear users are Americans who've never been to China permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] huf@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] sodium_nitride@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago Junior, stop this charade. permalink fedilink source parent [–] davel@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) Is it also a bit when you say the Uyghur genocide doesn’t exist? We’re not being stupid when we say that the Uyghur genocide doesn’t exist, and anyone who says it does is either a mark or hustler. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Genius@lemmy.zip -11 points 1 year ago (31 children) Oh okay I can't tell when Hexbear users are being stupid on purpose and when it's by accident. It all looks equally asinine to me. Is it also a bit when you say the Uyghur genocide doesn't exist? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 31 child comments replies: [–] Thordros@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago (25 children) Is it also a bit when you say the Uyghur genocide doesn't exist? No, because it doesn't. You can literally hop on a plane and go there, right now, and see with your own eyes that Uyghur culture is alive and thriving. Genocide in Gaza, on the other hand, is quite real. You can try to hop on a boat to go see it, but the perpetrators will kidnap you before you get there. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 25 child comments replies: [–] davel@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago Reporter: [REDACTED] Reason: Genocide denial Yes, reporter, we do deny it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Genius@lemmy.zip -5 points 1 year ago (23 children) Yeah, see, the way you're talking right now looks exactly the same to me as the "no politik" comment permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 23 child comments replies: [–] huf@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago (16 children) yes, we know you're not very smart and also have no idea what hexbear is like (which is why you make up silly shit in your head instead) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [+] Genius@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago (15 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago (13 children) What kind of dumbass point are you trying to make? "I'm broke, therefore there's a genocide in Xinjiang?" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] Genius@lemmy.zip -5 points 1 year ago (12 children) I'm broke, therefore telling me to go to Xinjiang isn't evidence. Like, okay, you're an ml user, so you're going to need an example. Let me make a similar argument. Saturn has a breathable atmosphere! Take a rocket and see for yourself. See how you don't have a rocket, so you can't go to Saturn, so my comment therefore doesn't have any evidence in it? Now pretend Xinjiang is Saturn, and then you'll understand my rebuttal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago (2 children) The idea that your personal finances affect whether there is a genocide is obviously absurd. If you were blind would all visual evidence be invalid? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Genius@lemmy.zip -3 points 1 year ago (1 child) I dunno, go argue with someone who believes the ideas you're attributing to me. I've got no dog in the fight you're having with an imaginary version of me permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Spongebobsquarejuche@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago* In the future try not being a douche. Thank you. (Not that I expect a lemmy.zip user to understand that) permalink fedilink source parent [–] huf@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago (8 children) but the claim "saturn has air on it" is like "there's genocide in xinjiang". you have to bring some evidence for it to be considered. but you dont have that evidence, you just have this vague impression you picked up from US propaganda (mainly zenz), which you never critically evaluated because you automatically think china bad (because of previous US propaganda campaigns) and thus believe every bad thing about them. btw, even the west has mostly dropped this shit years ago, because it became embarrassingly clear that they were lying. please update your programming. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] Genius@lemmy.zip -6 points 1 year ago (7 children) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Uyghurs_in_China Beginning in 2017, under Xinjiang CCP Secretary Chen Quanguo,[3] the government incarcerated over an estimated one million Uyghurs without legal process in internment camps officially described as "vocational education and training centers", in the largest mass internment of an ethnic-religious minority group since World War II. I admit, this article does have some inaccuracies. For example, it calls the imprisonment of Uyghurs the biggest mass internment since WW2, when it's actually the second biggest. Gaza is bigger. But broad strokes, China has been locking people up based on ethnicity, and their birth rates have dropped 20% more than the rest of the country, so they're contributing to the destruction of a people. If this weren't something they were responsible for, I'd say it'd be their ethical duty to distribute aid to assist in the preservation of the Uyghur people. You know, pay for free daycare so young couples can feel safer starting a family. But that sort of thing isn't really a priority in this case, because all the government needs to do in order to not destroy a people is stop persecuting them. China initially denied the existence of the Xinjiang internment camps and attempted to cover up their existence.[90] In 2018, after widespread reporting forced it to admit that the Xinjiang internment camps exist, the Chinese government initiated a campaign to portray the camps as humane and to deny that human rights abuses occurred in Xinjiang. Oh wow I guess the secret camps full of racial minorities that the government tried to cover up must be nice places to live, because the same government says they are, and the government would never lie to people. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, the genocide doesn't exist I guess. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] huf@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago* (5 children) just checked your sources and it's cnn, cnn, some report in the US senate by a US state department employee and fucking adrian zenz. this is exactly what i mean. one of the most islamophobic countries on earth, responsible for the deaths of millions of muslims in just the last 25 years is bringing this noise. btw, what do you think china should have done to combat US-funded fundamentalist islam from encroaching on their territory? should it have let it just continue? should it have allowed the destruction of uyghur culture? should it have bombed xinjiang for 20 years? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Genius@lemmy.zip -3 points 1 year ago (4 children) Well I believe in the Marxian idea that economic situation causes political action, so I think people turn to radical Islam when their lives aren't going well financially and they're frustrated about that. So if I were a member of some theoretical communist organisation controlling China's government, I'd apply a Marxian material analysis and find the economic drivers of radicalisation, and then institute public works projects to address them. Raise minimum wage, improve public transit, universal basic income, build affordable housing, that sort of thing. I wouldn't lock them up and make them do labour, that's America's thing. Modern day China is turning into America 2. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] huf@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago (2 children) well, you'll never believe what china did. it invested heavily in the region, raising living standards by doing those things you listed. it also stopped US funded terrorists from influencing the population. the result was an enormous success, possibly the most successful modern deradicalization program. terror attacks have stopped. and they didnt even have to bomb xinjiang to the ground. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Genius@lemmy.zip -3 points 1 year ago (1 child) Hm, putting people in camps isn't in the list of things you said. You're saying they didn't put people in camps? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Wakmrow@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago It's clearly not a "genocide" and you started the discussion saying hexbear is into genocide denial. If you want to shift the discussion to concentration camps, I think there's certainly a discussion to be had but you'll need to examine the connotations of the words concentration camps due to Western (white) genocides. What was the purpose of the camps and what was the result? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago* Who armed the mujahideen permalink fedilink source parent [–] davel@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago Bringing NATOpedia to a gun fight 🙄 the government incarcerated over an estimated one million Uyghurs without legal process in internment camps Source: Adrien Zenz of the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Wakmrow@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago You can also just watch people visiting xinjiang on YouTube from the comfort of your home. English speaking tourists. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Thordros@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago* (5 children) I'm deadly serious. Five hundred bucks, hop on a plane from LAX to Guangzhou, then grab a cheap connection to Xinjiang. There's some great food in Hami. Try the snow melon. I'd suggest hopping on a plane to go check out Gaza, but the occupiers destroyed all the airports. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Genius@lemmy.zip -2 points 1 year ago (4 children) Well can I have a few thousand dollars to fly to America and five hundred more to fly from LAX to Xinjiang? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Thordros@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago (3 children) Sure thing, let me DM you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Genius@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 year ago (2 children) Okay permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thordros@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago (1 child) "I'm DM'ing you a few thousand dollars." «photo of a pig pooping on its testicles» permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Genius@lemmy.zip -2 points 1 year ago There are no messages in my inbox, coward. If you're gonna harass me with feces, do it right! permalink fedilink source parent [–] huf@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago (3 children) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Genius@lemmy.zip -4 points 1 year ago (2 children) I really want to make a joke about you not knowing about the Uyghur genocide because of the Great Firewall, but unfortunately for comedy, I know 90% of Hexbear users are Americans who've never been to China permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] huf@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] sodium_nitride@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago Junior, stop this charade. permalink fedilink source parent [–] davel@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) Is it also a bit when you say the Uyghur genocide doesn’t exist? We’re not being stupid when we say that the Uyghur genocide doesn’t exist, and anyone who says it does is either a mark or hustler. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Thordros@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago (25 children) Is it also a bit when you say the Uyghur genocide doesn't exist? No, because it doesn't. You can literally hop on a plane and go there, right now, and see with your own eyes that Uyghur culture is alive and thriving. Genocide in Gaza, on the other hand, is quite real. You can try to hop on a boat to go see it, but the perpetrators will kidnap you before you get there. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 25 child comments replies: [–] davel@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago Reporter: [REDACTED] Reason: Genocide denial Yes, reporter, we do deny it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Genius@lemmy.zip -5 points 1 year ago (23 children) Yeah, see, the way you're talking right now looks exactly the same to me as the "no politik" comment permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 23 child comments replies: [–] huf@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago (16 children) yes, we know you're not very smart and also have no idea what hexbear is like (which is why you make up silly shit in your head instead) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [+] Genius@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago (15 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago (13 children) What kind of dumbass point are you trying to make? "I'm broke, therefore there's a genocide in Xinjiang?" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] Genius@lemmy.zip -5 points 1 year ago (12 children) I'm broke, therefore telling me to go to Xinjiang isn't evidence. Like, okay, you're an ml user, so you're going to need an example. Let me make a similar argument. Saturn has a breathable atmosphere! Take a rocket and see for yourself. See how you don't have a rocket, so you can't go to Saturn, so my comment therefore doesn't have any evidence in it? Now pretend Xinjiang is Saturn, and then you'll understand my rebuttal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago (2 children) The idea that your personal finances affect whether there is a genocide is obviously absurd. If you were blind would all visual evidence be invalid? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Genius@lemmy.zip -3 points 1 year ago (1 child) I dunno, go argue with someone who believes the ideas you're attributing to me. I've got no dog in the fight you're having with an imaginary version of me permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Spongebobsquarejuche@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago* In the future try not being a douche. Thank you. (Not that I expect a lemmy.zip user to understand that) permalink fedilink source parent [–] huf@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago (8 children) but the claim "saturn has air on it" is like "there's genocide in xinjiang". you have to bring some evidence for it to be considered. but you dont have that evidence, you just have this vague impression you picked up from US propaganda (mainly zenz), which you never critically evaluated because you automatically think china bad (because of previous US propaganda campaigns) and thus believe every bad thing about them. btw, even the west has mostly dropped this shit years ago, because it became embarrassingly clear that they were lying. please update your programming. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] Genius@lemmy.zip -6 points 1 year ago (7 children) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Uyghurs_in_China Beginning in 2017, under Xinjiang CCP Secretary Chen Quanguo,[3] the government incarcerated over an estimated one million Uyghurs without legal process in internment camps officially described as "vocational education and training centers", in the largest mass internment of an ethnic-religious minority group since World War II. I admit, this article does have some inaccuracies. For example, it calls the imprisonment of Uyghurs the biggest mass internment since WW2, when it's actually the second biggest. Gaza is bigger. But broad strokes, China has been locking people up based on ethnicity, and their birth rates have dropped 20% more than the rest of the country, so they're contributing to the destruction of a people. If this weren't something they were responsible for, I'd say it'd be their ethical duty to distribute aid to assist in the preservation of the Uyghur people. You know, pay for free daycare so young couples can feel safer starting a family. But that sort of thing isn't really a priority in this case, because all the government needs to do in order to not destroy a people is stop persecuting them. China initially denied the existence of the Xinjiang internment camps and attempted to cover up their existence.[90] In 2018, after widespread reporting forced it to admit that the Xinjiang internment camps exist, the Chinese government initiated a campaign to portray the camps as humane and to deny that human rights abuses occurred in Xinjiang. Oh wow I guess the secret camps full of racial minorities that the government tried to cover up must be nice places to live, because the same government says they are, and the government would never lie to people. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, the genocide doesn't exist I guess. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] huf@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago* (5 children) just checked your sources and it's cnn, cnn, some report in the US senate by a US state department employee and fucking adrian zenz. this is exactly what i mean. one of the most islamophobic countries on earth, responsible for the deaths of millions of muslims in just the last 25 years is bringing this noise. btw, what do you think china should have done to combat US-funded fundamentalist islam from encroaching on their territory? should it have let it just continue? should it have allowed the destruction of uyghur culture? should it have bombed xinjiang for 20 years? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Genius@lemmy.zip -3 points 1 year ago (4 children) Well I believe in the Marxian idea that economic situation causes political action, so I think people turn to radical Islam when their lives aren't going well financially and they're frustrated about that. So if I were a member of some theoretical communist organisation controlling China's government, I'd apply a Marxian material analysis and find the economic drivers of radicalisation, and then institute public works projects to address them. Raise minimum wage, improve public transit, universal basic income, build affordable housing, that sort of thing. I wouldn't lock them up and make them do labour, that's America's thing. Modern day China is turning into America 2. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] huf@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago (2 children) well, you'll never believe what china did. it invested heavily in the region, raising living standards by doing those things you listed. it also stopped US funded terrorists from influencing the population. the result was an enormous success, possibly the most successful modern deradicalization program. terror attacks have stopped. and they didnt even have to bomb xinjiang to the ground. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Genius@lemmy.zip -3 points 1 year ago (1 child) Hm, putting people in camps isn't in the list of things you said. You're saying they didn't put people in camps? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Wakmrow@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago It's clearly not a "genocide" and you started the discussion saying hexbear is into genocide denial. If you want to shift the discussion to concentration camps, I think there's certainly a discussion to be had but you'll need to examine the connotations of the words concentration camps due to Western (white) genocides. What was the purpose of the camps and what was the result? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago* Who armed the mujahideen permalink fedilink source parent [–] davel@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago Bringing NATOpedia to a gun fight 🙄 the government incarcerated over an estimated one million Uyghurs without legal process in internment camps Source: Adrien Zenz of the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Wakmrow@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago You can also just watch people visiting xinjiang on YouTube from the comfort of your home. English speaking tourists. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Thordros@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago* (5 children) I'm deadly serious. Five hundred bucks, hop on a plane from LAX to Guangzhou, then grab a cheap connection to Xinjiang. There's some great food in Hami. Try the snow melon. I'd suggest hopping on a plane to go check out Gaza, but the occupiers destroyed all the airports. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Genius@lemmy.zip -2 points 1 year ago (4 children) Well can I have a few thousand dollars to fly to America and five hundred more to fly from LAX to Xinjiang? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Thordros@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago (3 children) Sure thing, let me DM you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Genius@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 year ago (2 children) Okay permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thordros@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago (1 child) "I'm DM'ing you a few thousand dollars." «photo of a pig pooping on its testicles» permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Genius@lemmy.zip -2 points 1 year ago There are no messages in my inbox, coward. If you're gonna harass me with feces, do it right! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] davel@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago Reporter: [REDACTED] Reason: Genocide denial Yes, reporter, we do deny it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Genius@lemmy.zip -5 points 1 year ago (23 children) Yeah, see, the way you're talking right now looks exactly the same to me as the "no politik" comment permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 23 child comments replies: [–] huf@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago (16 children) yes, we know you're not very smart and also have no idea what hexbear is like (which is why you make up silly shit in your head instead) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [+] Genius@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago (15 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago (13 children) What kind of dumbass point are you trying to make? "I'm broke, therefore there's a genocide in Xinjiang?" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] Genius@lemmy.zip -5 points 1 year ago (12 children) I'm broke, therefore telling me to go to Xinjiang isn't evidence. Like, okay, you're an ml user, so you're going to need an example. Let me make a similar argument. Saturn has a breathable atmosphere! Take a rocket and see for yourself. See how you don't have a rocket, so you can't go to Saturn, so my comment therefore doesn't have any evidence in it? Now pretend Xinjiang is Saturn, and then you'll understand my rebuttal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago (2 children) The idea that your personal finances affect whether there is a genocide is obviously absurd. If you were blind would all visual evidence be invalid? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Genius@lemmy.zip -3 points 1 year ago (1 child) I dunno, go argue with someone who believes the ideas you're attributing to me. I've got no dog in the fight you're having with an imaginary version of me permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Spongebobsquarejuche@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago* In the future try not being a douche. Thank you. (Not that I expect a lemmy.zip user to understand that) permalink fedilink source parent [–] huf@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago (8 children) but the claim "saturn has air on it" is like "there's genocide in xinjiang". you have to bring some evidence for it to be considered. but you dont have that evidence, you just have this vague impression you picked up from US propaganda (mainly zenz), which you never critically evaluated because you automatically think china bad (because of previous US propaganda campaigns) and thus believe every bad thing about them. btw, even the west has mostly dropped this shit years ago, because it became embarrassingly clear that they were lying. please update your programming. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] Genius@lemmy.zip -6 points 1 year ago (7 children) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Uyghurs_in_China Beginning in 2017, under Xinjiang CCP Secretary Chen Quanguo,[3] the government incarcerated over an estimated one million Uyghurs without legal process in internment camps officially described as "vocational education and training centers", in the largest mass internment of an ethnic-religious minority group since World War II. I admit, this article does have some inaccuracies. For example, it calls the imprisonment of Uyghurs the biggest mass internment since WW2, when it's actually the second biggest. Gaza is bigger. But broad strokes, China has been locking people up based on ethnicity, and their birth rates have dropped 20% more than the rest of the country, so they're contributing to the destruction of a people. If this weren't something they were responsible for, I'd say it'd be their ethical duty to distribute aid to assist in the preservation of the Uyghur people. You know, pay for free daycare so young couples can feel safer starting a family. But that sort of thing isn't really a priority in this case, because all the government needs to do in order to not destroy a people is stop persecuting them. China initially denied the existence of the Xinjiang internment camps and attempted to cover up their existence.[90] In 2018, after widespread reporting forced it to admit that the Xinjiang internment camps exist, the Chinese government initiated a campaign to portray the camps as humane and to deny that human rights abuses occurred in Xinjiang. Oh wow I guess the secret camps full of racial minorities that the government tried to cover up must be nice places to live, because the same government says they are, and the government would never lie to people. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, the genocide doesn't exist I guess. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] huf@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago* (5 children) just checked your sources and it's cnn, cnn, some report in the US senate by a US state department employee and fucking adrian zenz. this is exactly what i mean. one of the most islamophobic countries on earth, responsible for the deaths of millions of muslims in just the last 25 years is bringing this noise. btw, what do you think china should have done to combat US-funded fundamentalist islam from encroaching on their territory? should it have let it just continue? should it have allowed the destruction of uyghur culture? should it have bombed xinjiang for 20 years? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Genius@lemmy.zip -3 points 1 year ago (4 children) Well I believe in the Marxian idea that economic situation causes political action, so I think people turn to radical Islam when their lives aren't going well financially and they're frustrated about that. So if I were a member of some theoretical communist organisation controlling China's government, I'd apply a Marxian material analysis and find the economic drivers of radicalisation, and then institute public works projects to address them. Raise minimum wage, improve public transit, universal basic income, build affordable housing, that sort of thing. I wouldn't lock them up and make them do labour, that's America's thing. Modern day China is turning into America 2. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] huf@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago (2 children) well, you'll never believe what china did. it invested heavily in the region, raising living standards by doing those things you listed. it also stopped US funded terrorists from influencing the population. the result was an enormous success, possibly the most successful modern deradicalization program. terror attacks have stopped. and they didnt even have to bomb xinjiang to the ground. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Genius@lemmy.zip -3 points 1 year ago (1 child) Hm, putting people in camps isn't in the list of things you said. You're saying they didn't put people in camps? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Wakmrow@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago It's clearly not a "genocide" and you started the discussion saying hexbear is into genocide denial. If you want to shift the discussion to concentration camps, I think there's certainly a discussion to be had but you'll need to examine the connotations of the words concentration camps due to Western (white) genocides. What was the purpose of the camps and what was the result? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago* Who armed the mujahideen permalink fedilink source parent [–] davel@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago Bringing NATOpedia to a gun fight 🙄 the government incarcerated over an estimated one million Uyghurs without legal process in internment camps Source: Adrien Zenz of the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Wakmrow@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago You can also just watch people visiting xinjiang on YouTube from the comfort of your home. English speaking tourists. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Thordros@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago* (5 children) I'm deadly serious. Five hundred bucks, hop on a plane from LAX to Guangzhou, then grab a cheap connection to Xinjiang. There's some great food in Hami. Try the snow melon. I'd suggest hopping on a plane to go check out Gaza, but the occupiers destroyed all the airports. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Genius@lemmy.zip -2 points 1 year ago (4 children) Well can I have a few thousand dollars to fly to America and five hundred more to fly from LAX to Xinjiang? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Thordros@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago (3 children) Sure thing, let me DM you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Genius@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 year ago (2 children) Okay permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thordros@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago (1 child) "I'm DM'ing you a few thousand dollars." «photo of a pig pooping on its testicles» permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Genius@lemmy.zip -2 points 1 year ago There are no messages in my inbox, coward. If you're gonna harass me with feces, do it right! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] huf@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago (16 children) yes, we know you're not very smart and also have no idea what hexbear is like (which is why you make up silly shit in your head instead) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [+] Genius@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago (15 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago (13 children) What kind of dumbass point are you trying to make? "I'm broke, therefore there's a genocide in Xinjiang?" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] Genius@lemmy.zip -5 points 1 year ago (12 children) I'm broke, therefore telling me to go to Xinjiang isn't evidence. Like, okay, you're an ml user, so you're going to need an example. Let me make a similar argument. Saturn has a breathable atmosphere! Take a rocket and see for yourself. See how you don't have a rocket, so you can't go to Saturn, so my comment therefore doesn't have any evidence in it? Now pretend Xinjiang is Saturn, and then you'll understand my rebuttal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago (2 children) The idea that your personal finances affect whether there is a genocide is obviously absurd. If you were blind would all visual evidence be invalid? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Genius@lemmy.zip -3 points 1 year ago (1 child) I dunno, go argue with someone who believes the ideas you're attributing to me. I've got no dog in the fight you're having with an imaginary version of me permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Spongebobsquarejuche@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago* In the future try not being a douche. Thank you. (Not that I expect a lemmy.zip user to understand that) permalink fedilink source parent [–] huf@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago (8 children) but the claim "saturn has air on it" is like "there's genocide in xinjiang". you have to bring some evidence for it to be considered. but you dont have that evidence, you just have this vague impression you picked up from US propaganda (mainly zenz), which you never critically evaluated because you automatically think china bad (because of previous US propaganda campaigns) and thus believe every bad thing about them. btw, even the west has mostly dropped this shit years ago, because it became embarrassingly clear that they were lying. please update your programming. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] Genius@lemmy.zip -6 points 1 year ago (7 children) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Uyghurs_in_China Beginning in 2017, under Xinjiang CCP Secretary Chen Quanguo,[3] the government incarcerated over an estimated one million Uyghurs without legal process in internment camps officially described as "vocational education and training centers", in the largest mass internment of an ethnic-religious minority group since World War II. I admit, this article does have some inaccuracies. For example, it calls the imprisonment of Uyghurs the biggest mass internment since WW2, when it's actually the second biggest. Gaza is bigger. But broad strokes, China has been locking people up based on ethnicity, and their birth rates have dropped 20% more than the rest of the country, so they're contributing to the destruction of a people. If this weren't something they were responsible for, I'd say it'd be their ethical duty to distribute aid to assist in the preservation of the Uyghur people. You know, pay for free daycare so young couples can feel safer starting a family. But that sort of thing isn't really a priority in this case, because all the government needs to do in order to not destroy a people is stop persecuting them. China initially denied the existence of the Xinjiang internment camps and attempted to cover up their existence.[90] In 2018, after widespread reporting forced it to admit that the Xinjiang internment camps exist, the Chinese government initiated a campaign to portray the camps as humane and to deny that human rights abuses occurred in Xinjiang. Oh wow I guess the secret camps full of racial minorities that the government tried to cover up must be nice places to live, because the same government says they are, and the government would never lie to people. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, the genocide doesn't exist I guess. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] huf@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago* (5 children) just checked your sources and it's cnn, cnn, some report in the US senate by a US state department employee and fucking adrian zenz. this is exactly what i mean. one of the most islamophobic countries on earth, responsible for the deaths of millions of muslims in just the last 25 years is bringing this noise. btw, what do you think china should have done to combat US-funded fundamentalist islam from encroaching on their territory? should it have let it just continue? should it have allowed the destruction of uyghur culture? should it have bombed xinjiang for 20 years? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Genius@lemmy.zip -3 points 1 year ago (4 children) Well I believe in the Marxian idea that economic situation causes political action, so I think people turn to radical Islam when their lives aren't going well financially and they're frustrated about that. So if I were a member of some theoretical communist organisation controlling China's government, I'd apply a Marxian material analysis and find the economic drivers of radicalisation, and then institute public works projects to address them. Raise minimum wage, improve public transit, universal basic income, build affordable housing, that sort of thing. I wouldn't lock them up and make them do labour, that's America's thing. Modern day China is turning into America 2. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] huf@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago (2 children) well, you'll never believe what china did. it invested heavily in the region, raising living standards by doing those things you listed. it also stopped US funded terrorists from influencing the population. the result was an enormous success, possibly the most successful modern deradicalization program. terror attacks have stopped. and they didnt even have to bomb xinjiang to the ground. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Genius@lemmy.zip -3 points 1 year ago (1 child) Hm, putting people in camps isn't in the list of things you said. You're saying they didn't put people in camps? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Wakmrow@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago It's clearly not a "genocide" and you started the discussion saying hexbear is into genocide denial. If you want to shift the discussion to concentration camps, I think there's certainly a discussion to be had but you'll need to examine the connotations of the words concentration camps due to Western (white) genocides. What was the purpose of the camps and what was the result? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago* Who armed the mujahideen permalink fedilink source parent [–] davel@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago Bringing NATOpedia to a gun fight 🙄 the government incarcerated over an estimated one million Uyghurs without legal process in internment camps Source: Adrien Zenz of the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Wakmrow@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago You can also just watch people visiting xinjiang on YouTube from the comfort of your home. English speaking tourists. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Genius@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago (15 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago (13 children) What kind of dumbass point are you trying to make? "I'm broke, therefore there's a genocide in Xinjiang?" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] Genius@lemmy.zip -5 points 1 year ago (12 children) I'm broke, therefore telling me to go to Xinjiang isn't evidence. Like, okay, you're an ml user, so you're going to need an example. Let me make a similar argument. Saturn has a breathable atmosphere! Take a rocket and see for yourself. See how you don't have a rocket, so you can't go to Saturn, so my comment therefore doesn't have any evidence in it? Now pretend Xinjiang is Saturn, and then you'll understand my rebuttal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago (2 children) The idea that your personal finances affect whether there is a genocide is obviously absurd. If you were blind would all visual evidence be invalid? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Genius@lemmy.zip -3 points 1 year ago (1 child) I dunno, go argue with someone who believes the ideas you're attributing to me. I've got no dog in the fight you're having with an imaginary version of me permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Spongebobsquarejuche@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago* In the future try not being a douche. Thank you. (Not that I expect a lemmy.zip user to understand that) permalink fedilink source parent [–] huf@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago (8 children) but the claim "saturn has air on it" is like "there's genocide in xinjiang". you have to bring some evidence for it to be considered. but you dont have that evidence, you just have this vague impression you picked up from US propaganda (mainly zenz), which you never critically evaluated because you automatically think china bad (because of previous US propaganda campaigns) and thus believe every bad thing about them. btw, even the west has mostly dropped this shit years ago, because it became embarrassingly clear that they were lying. please update your programming. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] Genius@lemmy.zip -6 points 1 year ago (7 children) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Uyghurs_in_China Beginning in 2017, under Xinjiang CCP Secretary Chen Quanguo,[3] the government incarcerated over an estimated one million Uyghurs without legal process in internment camps officially described as "vocational education and training centers", in the largest mass internment of an ethnic-religious minority group since World War II. I admit, this article does have some inaccuracies. For example, it calls the imprisonment of Uyghurs the biggest mass internment since WW2, when it's actually the second biggest. Gaza is bigger. But broad strokes, China has been locking people up based on ethnicity, and their birth rates have dropped 20% more than the rest of the country, so they're contributing to the destruction of a people. If this weren't something they were responsible for, I'd say it'd be their ethical duty to distribute aid to assist in the preservation of the Uyghur people. You know, pay for free daycare so young couples can feel safer starting a family. But that sort of thing isn't really a priority in this case, because all the government needs to do in order to not destroy a people is stop persecuting them. China initially denied the existence of the Xinjiang internment camps and attempted to cover up their existence.[90] In 2018, after widespread reporting forced it to admit that the Xinjiang internment camps exist, the Chinese government initiated a campaign to portray the camps as humane and to deny that human rights abuses occurred in Xinjiang. Oh wow I guess the secret camps full of racial minorities that the government tried to cover up must be nice places to live, because the same government says they are, and the government would never lie to people. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, the genocide doesn't exist I guess. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] huf@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago* (5 children) just checked your sources and it's cnn, cnn, some report in the US senate by a US state department employee and fucking adrian zenz. this is exactly what i mean. one of the most islamophobic countries on earth, responsible for the deaths of millions of muslims in just the last 25 years is bringing this noise. btw, what do you think china should have done to combat US-funded fundamentalist islam from encroaching on their territory? should it have let it just continue? should it have allowed the destruction of uyghur culture? should it have bombed xinjiang for 20 years? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Genius@lemmy.zip -3 points 1 year ago (4 children) Well I believe in the Marxian idea that economic situation causes political action, so I think people turn to radical Islam when their lives aren't going well financially and they're frustrated about that. So if I were a member of some theoretical communist organisation controlling China's government, I'd apply a Marxian material analysis and find the economic drivers of radicalisation, and then institute public works projects to address them. Raise minimum wage, improve public transit, universal basic income, build affordable housing, that sort of thing. I wouldn't lock them up and make them do labour, that's America's thing. Modern day China is turning into America 2. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] huf@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago (2 children) well, you'll never believe what china did. it invested heavily in the region, raising living standards by doing those things you listed. it also stopped US funded terrorists from influencing the population. the result was an enormous success, possibly the most successful modern deradicalization program. terror attacks have stopped. and they didnt even have to bomb xinjiang to the ground. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Genius@lemmy.zip -3 points 1 year ago (1 child) Hm, putting people in camps isn't in the list of things you said. You're saying they didn't put people in camps? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Wakmrow@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago It's clearly not a "genocide" and you started the discussion saying hexbear is into genocide denial. If you want to shift the discussion to concentration camps, I think there's certainly a discussion to be had but you'll need to examine the connotations of the words concentration camps due to Western (white) genocides. What was the purpose of the camps and what was the result? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago* Who armed the mujahideen permalink fedilink source parent [–] davel@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago Bringing NATOpedia to a gun fight 🙄 the government incarcerated over an estimated one million Uyghurs without legal process in internment camps Source: Adrien Zenz of the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Wakmrow@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago You can also just watch people visiting xinjiang on YouTube from the comfort of your home. English speaking tourists. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago (13 children) What kind of dumbass point are you trying to make? "I'm broke, therefore there's a genocide in Xinjiang?" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] Genius@lemmy.zip -5 points 1 year ago (12 children) I'm broke, therefore telling me to go to Xinjiang isn't evidence. Like, okay, you're an ml user, so you're going to need an example. Let me make a similar argument. Saturn has a breathable atmosphere! Take a rocket and see for yourself. See how you don't have a rocket, so you can't go to Saturn, so my comment therefore doesn't have any evidence in it? Now pretend Xinjiang is Saturn, and then you'll understand my rebuttal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago (2 children) The idea that your personal finances affect whether there is a genocide is obviously absurd. If you were blind would all visual evidence be invalid? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Genius@lemmy.zip -3 points 1 year ago (1 child) I dunno, go argue with someone who believes the ideas you're attributing to me. I've got no dog in the fight you're having with an imaginary version of me permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Spongebobsquarejuche@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago* In the future try not being a douche. Thank you. (Not that I expect a lemmy.zip user to understand that) permalink fedilink source parent [–] huf@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago (8 children) but the claim "saturn has air on it" is like "there's genocide in xinjiang". you have to bring some evidence for it to be considered. but you dont have that evidence, you just have this vague impression you picked up from US propaganda (mainly zenz), which you never critically evaluated because you automatically think china bad (because of previous US propaganda campaigns) and thus believe every bad thing about them. btw, even the west has mostly dropped this shit years ago, because it became embarrassingly clear that they were lying. please update your programming. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] Genius@lemmy.zip -6 points 1 year ago (7 children) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Uyghurs_in_China Beginning in 2017, under Xinjiang CCP Secretary Chen Quanguo,[3] the government incarcerated over an estimated one million Uyghurs without legal process in internment camps officially described as "vocational education and training centers", in the largest mass internment of an ethnic-religious minority group since World War II. I admit, this article does have some inaccuracies. For example, it calls the imprisonment of Uyghurs the biggest mass internment since WW2, when it's actually the second biggest. Gaza is bigger. But broad strokes, China has been locking people up based on ethnicity, and their birth rates have dropped 20% more than the rest of the country, so they're contributing to the destruction of a people. If this weren't something they were responsible for, I'd say it'd be their ethical duty to distribute aid to assist in the preservation of the Uyghur people. You know, pay for free daycare so young couples can feel safer starting a family. But that sort of thing isn't really a priority in this case, because all the government needs to do in order to not destroy a people is stop persecuting them. China initially denied the existence of the Xinjiang internment camps and attempted to cover up their existence.[90] In 2018, after widespread reporting forced it to admit that the Xinjiang internment camps exist, the Chinese government initiated a campaign to portray the camps as humane and to deny that human rights abuses occurred in Xinjiang. Oh wow I guess the secret camps full of racial minorities that the government tried to cover up must be nice places to live, because the same government says they are, and the government would never lie to people. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, the genocide doesn't exist I guess. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] huf@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago* (5 children) just checked your sources and it's cnn, cnn, some report in the US senate by a US state department employee and fucking adrian zenz. this is exactly what i mean. one of the most islamophobic countries on earth, responsible for the deaths of millions of muslims in just the last 25 years is bringing this noise. btw, what do you think china should have done to combat US-funded fundamentalist islam from encroaching on their territory? should it have let it just continue? should it have allowed the destruction of uyghur culture? should it have bombed xinjiang for 20 years? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Genius@lemmy.zip -3 points 1 year ago (4 children) Well I believe in the Marxian idea that economic situation causes political action, so I think people turn to radical Islam when their lives aren't going well financially and they're frustrated about that. So if I were a member of some theoretical communist organisation controlling China's government, I'd apply a Marxian material analysis and find the economic drivers of radicalisation, and then institute public works projects to address them. Raise minimum wage, improve public transit, universal basic income, build affordable housing, that sort of thing. I wouldn't lock them up and make them do labour, that's America's thing. Modern day China is turning into America 2. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] huf@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago (2 children) well, you'll never believe what china did. it invested heavily in the region, raising living standards by doing those things you listed. it also stopped US funded terrorists from influencing the population. the result was an enormous success, possibly the most successful modern deradicalization program. terror attacks have stopped. and they didnt even have to bomb xinjiang to the ground. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Genius@lemmy.zip -3 points 1 year ago (1 child) Hm, putting people in camps isn't in the list of things you said. You're saying they didn't put people in camps? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Wakmrow@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago It's clearly not a "genocide" and you started the discussion saying hexbear is into genocide denial. If you want to shift the discussion to concentration camps, I think there's certainly a discussion to be had but you'll need to examine the connotations of the words concentration camps due to Western (white) genocides. What was the purpose of the camps and what was the result? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago* Who armed the mujahideen permalink fedilink source parent [–] davel@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago Bringing NATOpedia to a gun fight 🙄 the government incarcerated over an estimated one million Uyghurs without legal process in internment camps Source: Adrien Zenz of the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Genius@lemmy.zip -5 points 1 year ago (12 children) I'm broke, therefore telling me to go to Xinjiang isn't evidence. Like, okay, you're an ml user, so you're going to need an example. Let me make a similar argument. Saturn has a breathable atmosphere! Take a rocket and see for yourself. See how you don't have a rocket, so you can't go to Saturn, so my comment therefore doesn't have any evidence in it? Now pretend Xinjiang is Saturn, and then you'll understand my rebuttal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago (2 children) The idea that your personal finances affect whether there is a genocide is obviously absurd. If you were blind would all visual evidence be invalid? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Genius@lemmy.zip -3 points 1 year ago (1 child) I dunno, go argue with someone who believes the ideas you're attributing to me. I've got no dog in the fight you're having with an imaginary version of me permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Spongebobsquarejuche@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago* In the future try not being a douche. Thank you. (Not that I expect a lemmy.zip user to understand that) permalink fedilink source parent [–] huf@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago (8 children) but the claim "saturn has air on it" is like "there's genocide in xinjiang". you have to bring some evidence for it to be considered. but you dont have that evidence, you just have this vague impression you picked up from US propaganda (mainly zenz), which you never critically evaluated because you automatically think china bad (because of previous US propaganda campaigns) and thus believe every bad thing about them. btw, even the west has mostly dropped this shit years ago, because it became embarrassingly clear that they were lying. please update your programming. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] Genius@lemmy.zip -6 points 1 year ago (7 children) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Uyghurs_in_China Beginning in 2017, under Xinjiang CCP Secretary Chen Quanguo,[3] the government incarcerated over an estimated one million Uyghurs without legal process in internment camps officially described as "vocational education and training centers", in the largest mass internment of an ethnic-religious minority group since World War II. I admit, this article does have some inaccuracies. For example, it calls the imprisonment of Uyghurs the biggest mass internment since WW2, when it's actually the second biggest. Gaza is bigger. But broad strokes, China has been locking people up based on ethnicity, and their birth rates have dropped 20% more than the rest of the country, so they're contributing to the destruction of a people. If this weren't something they were responsible for, I'd say it'd be their ethical duty to distribute aid to assist in the preservation of the Uyghur people. You know, pay for free daycare so young couples can feel safer starting a family. But that sort of thing isn't really a priority in this case, because all the government needs to do in order to not destroy a people is stop persecuting them. China initially denied the existence of the Xinjiang internment camps and attempted to cover up their existence.[90] In 2018, after widespread reporting forced it to admit that the Xinjiang internment camps exist, the Chinese government initiated a campaign to portray the camps as humane and to deny that human rights abuses occurred in Xinjiang. Oh wow I guess the secret camps full of racial minorities that the government tried to cover up must be nice places to live, because the same government says they are, and the government would never lie to people. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, the genocide doesn't exist I guess. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] huf@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago* (5 children) just checked your sources and it's cnn, cnn, some report in the US senate by a US state department employee and fucking adrian zenz. this is exactly what i mean. one of the most islamophobic countries on earth, responsible for the deaths of millions of muslims in just the last 25 years is bringing this noise. btw, what do you think china should have done to combat US-funded fundamentalist islam from encroaching on their territory? should it have let it just continue? should it have allowed the destruction of uyghur culture? should it have bombed xinjiang for 20 years? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Genius@lemmy.zip -3 points 1 year ago (4 children) Well I believe in the Marxian idea that economic situation causes political action, so I think people turn to radical Islam when their lives aren't going well financially and they're frustrated about that. So if I were a member of some theoretical communist organisation controlling China's government, I'd apply a Marxian material analysis and find the economic drivers of radicalisation, and then institute public works projects to address them. Raise minimum wage, improve public transit, universal basic income, build affordable housing, that sort of thing. I wouldn't lock them up and make them do labour, that's America's thing. Modern day China is turning into America 2. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] huf@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago (2 children) well, you'll never believe what china did. it invested heavily in the region, raising living standards by doing those things you listed. it also stopped US funded terrorists from influencing the population. the result was an enormous success, possibly the most successful modern deradicalization program. terror attacks have stopped. and they didnt even have to bomb xinjiang to the ground. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Genius@lemmy.zip -3 points 1 year ago (1 child) Hm, putting people in camps isn't in the list of things you said. You're saying they didn't put people in camps? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Wakmrow@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago It's clearly not a "genocide" and you started the discussion saying hexbear is into genocide denial. If you want to shift the discussion to concentration camps, I think there's certainly a discussion to be had but you'll need to examine the connotations of the words concentration camps due to Western (white) genocides. What was the purpose of the camps and what was the result? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago* Who armed the mujahideen permalink fedilink source parent [–] davel@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago Bringing NATOpedia to a gun fight 🙄 the government incarcerated over an estimated one million Uyghurs without legal process in internment camps Source: Adrien Zenz of the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago (2 children) The idea that your personal finances affect whether there is a genocide is obviously absurd. If you were blind would all visual evidence be invalid? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Genius@lemmy.zip -3 points 1 year ago (1 child) I dunno, go argue with someone who believes the ideas you're attributing to me. I've got no dog in the fight you're having with an imaginary version of me permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Spongebobsquarejuche@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago* In the future try not being a douche. Thank you. (Not that I expect a lemmy.zip user to understand that) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Genius@lemmy.zip -3 points 1 year ago (1 child) I dunno, go argue with someone who believes the ideas you're attributing to me. I've got no dog in the fight you're having with an imaginary version of me permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Spongebobsquarejuche@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago* In the future try not being a douche. Thank you. (Not that I expect a lemmy.zip user to understand that) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Spongebobsquarejuche@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago* In the future try not being a douche. Thank you. (Not that I expect a lemmy.zip user to understand that) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] huf@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago (8 children) but the claim "saturn has air on it" is like "there's genocide in xinjiang". you have to bring some evidence for it to be considered. but you dont have that evidence, you just have this vague impression you picked up from US propaganda (mainly zenz), which you never critically evaluated because you automatically think china bad (because of previous US propaganda campaigns) and thus believe every bad thing about them. btw, even the west has mostly dropped this shit years ago, because it became embarrassingly clear that they were lying. please update your programming. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] Genius@lemmy.zip -6 points 1 year ago (7 children) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Uyghurs_in_China Beginning in 2017, under Xinjiang CCP Secretary Chen Quanguo,[3] the government incarcerated over an estimated one million Uyghurs without legal process in internment camps officially described as "vocational education and training centers", in the largest mass internment of an ethnic-religious minority group since World War II. I admit, this article does have some inaccuracies. For example, it calls the imprisonment of Uyghurs the biggest mass internment since WW2, when it's actually the second biggest. Gaza is bigger. But broad strokes, China has been locking people up based on ethnicity, and their birth rates have dropped 20% more than the rest of the country, so they're contributing to the destruction of a people. If this weren't something they were responsible for, I'd say it'd be their ethical duty to distribute aid to assist in the preservation of the Uyghur people. You know, pay for free daycare so young couples can feel safer starting a family. But that sort of thing isn't really a priority in this case, because all the government needs to do in order to not destroy a people is stop persecuting them. China initially denied the existence of the Xinjiang internment camps and attempted to cover up their existence.[90] In 2018, after widespread reporting forced it to admit that the Xinjiang internment camps exist, the Chinese government initiated a campaign to portray the camps as humane and to deny that human rights abuses occurred in Xinjiang. Oh wow I guess the secret camps full of racial minorities that the government tried to cover up must be nice places to live, because the same government says they are, and the government would never lie to people. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, the genocide doesn't exist I guess. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] huf@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago* (5 children) just checked your sources and it's cnn, cnn, some report in the US senate by a US state department employee and fucking adrian zenz. this is exactly what i mean. one of the most islamophobic countries on earth, responsible for the deaths of millions of muslims in just the last 25 years is bringing this noise. btw, what do you think china should have done to combat US-funded fundamentalist islam from encroaching on their territory? should it have let it just continue? should it have allowed the destruction of uyghur culture? should it have bombed xinjiang for 20 years? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Genius@lemmy.zip -3 points 1 year ago (4 children) Well I believe in the Marxian idea that economic situation causes political action, so I think people turn to radical Islam when their lives aren't going well financially and they're frustrated about that. So if I were a member of some theoretical communist organisation controlling China's government, I'd apply a Marxian material analysis and find the economic drivers of radicalisation, and then institute public works projects to address them. Raise minimum wage, improve public transit, universal basic income, build affordable housing, that sort of thing. I wouldn't lock them up and make them do labour, that's America's thing. Modern day China is turning into America 2. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] huf@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago (2 children) well, you'll never believe what china did. it invested heavily in the region, raising living standards by doing those things you listed. it also stopped US funded terrorists from influencing the population. the result was an enormous success, possibly the most successful modern deradicalization program. terror attacks have stopped. and they didnt even have to bomb xinjiang to the ground. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Genius@lemmy.zip -3 points 1 year ago (1 child) Hm, putting people in camps isn't in the list of things you said. You're saying they didn't put people in camps? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Wakmrow@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago It's clearly not a "genocide" and you started the discussion saying hexbear is into genocide denial. If you want to shift the discussion to concentration camps, I think there's certainly a discussion to be had but you'll need to examine the connotations of the words concentration camps due to Western (white) genocides. What was the purpose of the camps and what was the result? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago* Who armed the mujahideen permalink fedilink source parent [–] davel@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago Bringing NATOpedia to a gun fight 🙄 the government incarcerated over an estimated one million Uyghurs without legal process in internment camps Source: Adrien Zenz of the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Genius@lemmy.zip -6 points 1 year ago (7 children) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Uyghurs_in_China Beginning in 2017, under Xinjiang CCP Secretary Chen Quanguo,[3] the government incarcerated over an estimated one million Uyghurs without legal process in internment camps officially described as "vocational education and training centers", in the largest mass internment of an ethnic-religious minority group since World War II. I admit, this article does have some inaccuracies. For example, it calls the imprisonment of Uyghurs the biggest mass internment since WW2, when it's actually the second biggest. Gaza is bigger. But broad strokes, China has been locking people up based on ethnicity, and their birth rates have dropped 20% more than the rest of the country, so they're contributing to the destruction of a people. If this weren't something they were responsible for, I'd say it'd be their ethical duty to distribute aid to assist in the preservation of the Uyghur people. You know, pay for free daycare so young couples can feel safer starting a family. But that sort of thing isn't really a priority in this case, because all the government needs to do in order to not destroy a people is stop persecuting them. China initially denied the existence of the Xinjiang internment camps and attempted to cover up their existence.[90] In 2018, after widespread reporting forced it to admit that the Xinjiang internment camps exist, the Chinese government initiated a campaign to portray the camps as humane and to deny that human rights abuses occurred in Xinjiang. Oh wow I guess the secret camps full of racial minorities that the government tried to cover up must be nice places to live, because the same government says they are, and the government would never lie to people. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, the genocide doesn't exist I guess. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] huf@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago* (5 children) just checked your sources and it's cnn, cnn, some report in the US senate by a US state department employee and fucking adrian zenz. this is exactly what i mean. one of the most islamophobic countries on earth, responsible for the deaths of millions of muslims in just the last 25 years is bringing this noise. btw, what do you think china should have done to combat US-funded fundamentalist islam from encroaching on their territory? should it have let it just continue? should it have allowed the destruction of uyghur culture? should it have bombed xinjiang for 20 years? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Genius@lemmy.zip -3 points 1 year ago (4 children) Well I believe in the Marxian idea that economic situation causes political action, so I think people turn to radical Islam when their lives aren't going well financially and they're frustrated about that. So if I were a member of some theoretical communist organisation controlling China's government, I'd apply a Marxian material analysis and find the economic drivers of radicalisation, and then institute public works projects to address them. Raise minimum wage, improve public transit, universal basic income, build affordable housing, that sort of thing. I wouldn't lock them up and make them do labour, that's America's thing. Modern day China is turning into America 2. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] huf@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago (2 children) well, you'll never believe what china did. it invested heavily in the region, raising living standards by doing those things you listed. it also stopped US funded terrorists from influencing the population. the result was an enormous success, possibly the most successful modern deradicalization program. terror attacks have stopped. and they didnt even have to bomb xinjiang to the ground. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Genius@lemmy.zip -3 points 1 year ago (1 child) Hm, putting people in camps isn't in the list of things you said. You're saying they didn't put people in camps? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Wakmrow@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago It's clearly not a "genocide" and you started the discussion saying hexbear is into genocide denial. If you want to shift the discussion to concentration camps, I think there's certainly a discussion to be had but you'll need to examine the connotations of the words concentration camps due to Western (white) genocides. What was the purpose of the camps and what was the result? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago* Who armed the mujahideen permalink fedilink source parent [–] davel@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago Bringing NATOpedia to a gun fight 🙄 the government incarcerated over an estimated one million Uyghurs without legal process in internment camps Source: Adrien Zenz of the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] huf@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago* (5 children) just checked your sources and it's cnn, cnn, some report in the US senate by a US state department employee and fucking adrian zenz. this is exactly what i mean. one of the most islamophobic countries on earth, responsible for the deaths of millions of muslims in just the last 25 years is bringing this noise. btw, what do you think china should have done to combat US-funded fundamentalist islam from encroaching on their territory? should it have let it just continue? should it have allowed the destruction of uyghur culture? should it have bombed xinjiang for 20 years? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Genius@lemmy.zip -3 points 1 year ago (4 children) Well I believe in the Marxian idea that economic situation causes political action, so I think people turn to radical Islam when their lives aren't going well financially and they're frustrated about that. So if I were a member of some theoretical communist organisation controlling China's government, I'd apply a Marxian material analysis and find the economic drivers of radicalisation, and then institute public works projects to address them. Raise minimum wage, improve public transit, universal basic income, build affordable housing, that sort of thing. I wouldn't lock them up and make them do labour, that's America's thing. Modern day China is turning into America 2. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] huf@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago (2 children) well, you'll never believe what china did. it invested heavily in the region, raising living standards by doing those things you listed. it also stopped US funded terrorists from influencing the population. the result was an enormous success, possibly the most successful modern deradicalization program. terror attacks have stopped. and they didnt even have to bomb xinjiang to the ground. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Genius@lemmy.zip -3 points 1 year ago (1 child) Hm, putting people in camps isn't in the list of things you said. You're saying they didn't put people in camps? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Wakmrow@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago It's clearly not a "genocide" and you started the discussion saying hexbear is into genocide denial. If you want to shift the discussion to concentration camps, I think there's certainly a discussion to be had but you'll need to examine the connotations of the words concentration camps due to Western (white) genocides. What was the purpose of the camps and what was the result? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago* Who armed the mujahideen permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Genius@lemmy.zip -3 points 1 year ago (4 children) Well I believe in the Marxian idea that economic situation causes political action, so I think people turn to radical Islam when their lives aren't going well financially and they're frustrated about that. So if I were a member of some theoretical communist organisation controlling China's government, I'd apply a Marxian material analysis and find the economic drivers of radicalisation, and then institute public works projects to address them. Raise minimum wage, improve public transit, universal basic income, build affordable housing, that sort of thing. I wouldn't lock them up and make them do labour, that's America's thing. Modern day China is turning into America 2. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] huf@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago (2 children) well, you'll never believe what china did. it invested heavily in the region, raising living standards by doing those things you listed. it also stopped US funded terrorists from influencing the population. the result was an enormous success, possibly the most successful modern deradicalization program. terror attacks have stopped. and they didnt even have to bomb xinjiang to the ground. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Genius@lemmy.zip -3 points 1 year ago (1 child) Hm, putting people in camps isn't in the list of things you said. You're saying they didn't put people in camps? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Wakmrow@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago It's clearly not a "genocide" and you started the discussion saying hexbear is into genocide denial. If you want to shift the discussion to concentration camps, I think there's certainly a discussion to be had but you'll need to examine the connotations of the words concentration camps due to Western (white) genocides. What was the purpose of the camps and what was the result? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago* Who armed the mujahideen permalink fedilink source parent
[–] huf@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago (2 children) well, you'll never believe what china did. it invested heavily in the region, raising living standards by doing those things you listed. it also stopped US funded terrorists from influencing the population. the result was an enormous success, possibly the most successful modern deradicalization program. terror attacks have stopped. and they didnt even have to bomb xinjiang to the ground. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Genius@lemmy.zip -3 points 1 year ago (1 child) Hm, putting people in camps isn't in the list of things you said. You're saying they didn't put people in camps? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Wakmrow@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago It's clearly not a "genocide" and you started the discussion saying hexbear is into genocide denial. If you want to shift the discussion to concentration camps, I think there's certainly a discussion to be had but you'll need to examine the connotations of the words concentration camps due to Western (white) genocides. What was the purpose of the camps and what was the result? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Genius@lemmy.zip -3 points 1 year ago (1 child) Hm, putting people in camps isn't in the list of things you said. You're saying they didn't put people in camps? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Wakmrow@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago It's clearly not a "genocide" and you started the discussion saying hexbear is into genocide denial. If you want to shift the discussion to concentration camps, I think there's certainly a discussion to be had but you'll need to examine the connotations of the words concentration camps due to Western (white) genocides. What was the purpose of the camps and what was the result? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Wakmrow@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago It's clearly not a "genocide" and you started the discussion saying hexbear is into genocide denial. If you want to shift the discussion to concentration camps, I think there's certainly a discussion to be had but you'll need to examine the connotations of the words concentration camps due to Western (white) genocides. What was the purpose of the camps and what was the result? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago* Who armed the mujahideen permalink fedilink source parent
[–] davel@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago Bringing NATOpedia to a gun fight 🙄 the government incarcerated over an estimated one million Uyghurs without legal process in internment camps Source: Adrien Zenz of the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Wakmrow@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago You can also just watch people visiting xinjiang on YouTube from the comfort of your home. English speaking tourists. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Thordros@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago* (5 children) I'm deadly serious. Five hundred bucks, hop on a plane from LAX to Guangzhou, then grab a cheap connection to Xinjiang. There's some great food in Hami. Try the snow melon. I'd suggest hopping on a plane to go check out Gaza, but the occupiers destroyed all the airports. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Genius@lemmy.zip -2 points 1 year ago (4 children) Well can I have a few thousand dollars to fly to America and five hundred more to fly from LAX to Xinjiang? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Thordros@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago (3 children) Sure thing, let me DM you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Genius@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 year ago (2 children) Okay permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thordros@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago (1 child) "I'm DM'ing you a few thousand dollars." «photo of a pig pooping on its testicles» permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Genius@lemmy.zip -2 points 1 year ago There are no messages in my inbox, coward. If you're gonna harass me with feces, do it right! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Genius@lemmy.zip -2 points 1 year ago (4 children) Well can I have a few thousand dollars to fly to America and five hundred more to fly from LAX to Xinjiang? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Thordros@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago (3 children) Sure thing, let me DM you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Genius@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 year ago (2 children) Okay permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thordros@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago (1 child) "I'm DM'ing you a few thousand dollars." «photo of a pig pooping on its testicles» permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Genius@lemmy.zip -2 points 1 year ago There are no messages in my inbox, coward. If you're gonna harass me with feces, do it right! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Thordros@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago (3 children) Sure thing, let me DM you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Genius@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 year ago (2 children) Okay permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thordros@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago (1 child) "I'm DM'ing you a few thousand dollars." «photo of a pig pooping on its testicles» permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Genius@lemmy.zip -2 points 1 year ago There are no messages in my inbox, coward. If you're gonna harass me with feces, do it right! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Genius@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 year ago (2 children) Okay permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thordros@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago (1 child) "I'm DM'ing you a few thousand dollars." «photo of a pig pooping on its testicles» permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Genius@lemmy.zip -2 points 1 year ago There are no messages in my inbox, coward. If you're gonna harass me with feces, do it right! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Thordros@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago (1 child) "I'm DM'ing you a few thousand dollars." «photo of a pig pooping on its testicles» permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Genius@lemmy.zip -2 points 1 year ago There are no messages in my inbox, coward. If you're gonna harass me with feces, do it right! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Genius@lemmy.zip -2 points 1 year ago There are no messages in my inbox, coward. If you're gonna harass me with feces, do it right! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] huf@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago (3 children) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Genius@lemmy.zip -4 points 1 year ago (2 children) I really want to make a joke about you not knowing about the Uyghur genocide because of the Great Firewall, but unfortunately for comedy, I know 90% of Hexbear users are Americans who've never been to China permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] huf@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] sodium_nitride@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago Junior, stop this charade. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Genius@lemmy.zip -4 points 1 year ago (2 children) I really want to make a joke about you not knowing about the Uyghur genocide because of the Great Firewall, but unfortunately for comedy, I know 90% of Hexbear users are Americans who've never been to China permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] huf@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] sodium_nitride@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago Junior, stop this charade. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sodium_nitride@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago Junior, stop this charade. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] davel@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) Is it also a bit when you say the Uyghur genocide doesn’t exist? We’re not being stupid when we say that the Uyghur genocide doesn’t exist, and anyone who says it does is either a mark or hustler. permalink fedilink source parent