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Tesla sales plunge 40% in Europe as Chinese EV rival BYD's triple (www.cnbc.com)
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[–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Is it. I know it's a Chinese company but is there any evidence that there is anything going on?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The evidence is in the fact that it's a Chinese company. They are required by law to provide the government with all the data they collect (and we know they collect data).

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Right but has anybody actually run a packet inspector on the data, or even confirm that it is sending packets back and by what method?

    Because everybody "knows" China does this but everybody also "knows" that the Facebook app listens to you. As far as I know no evidence has ever been provided of either claim. The evidence is always ooh well I spoke about yoghurts and then 3 days later I had an advert for a yoghurt, which is somewhat unconvincing as conclusive proof.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The cars have a factory installed SIM-card that allows remote control AND remote access to the integrated phone system (without giving any notion that somebody is listening in on you in your car).

    everybody also “knows” that the Facebook app listens to you

    https://www.estiponagroup.com/blog/shhhhhh-facebook-actually-listening-surveillance-marketing-explained

    As for China - THIS the bog-standard procedure for any tech-related company when an employee has to travel to China. Give them a burner phone and laptop, zero company data on them, zero access to critical company data, after they return, just throw the gear away.

    I honestly don't now what other proof would you need, when we know them spying on regular people has been happening for decades.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    That article does not contain any actual evidence of any wrongdoing by Facebook. The reason I don't think that they are listening is that would be an utterly insane amount of data and 99% of it would be worthless.

    The clinch would be someone pointing to some actual data, which is why I keep asking for the packets, and yet years later no one has ever produced them. No cybersecurity expert has ever been able to show me a packet, it's the simplest thing in the world and, they can't find them. If you're into a conspiracy theories explain how that works. They are allegedly listening to you except there was no evidence of any data is going to the Facebook servers. So how are they getting it?

    Facebook have a lot of data and people really aren't as random as they think they are I'm sure they can algorithmically get this data without having to resort to to listening on the microphone.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Yes it literally phones back every bit of data. What other evidence do you need?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Cool. Now provide us with sources. Besides buzzword banger articles I haven’t seen hard proof. At least not more than other brands. Meanwhile Tesla has been doing this for training their self driving and we’ve been fine with it. And so do most cars under the norm of telemetry data.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The actual packets would be nice. Since you obviously have that evidence because you're saying they "literally" do it would you mind providing it?

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Here you go:

    Do you really think that CCP politely declines this free data? It's so easy to hide spyware under "anonymous performance telimetry" - didn't we learn anything from Cabridge Analytica and a billion of other cases? God lord, you people deserve to be spied on.

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