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Tesla sales plunge 40% in Europe as Chinese EV rival BYD's triple (www.cnbc.com)
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[–] 22 points 1 year ago (12 children)

I'm genuinely surprised people be ok with BYD on Lemmy. It's authoritarian spyware, period. There are more options than these two - ww don't have to choose the lesser evil.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Why would I give a fucking shit? Every new car is a piece of shit spy ware device that collects and sells your data. Honestly, I'd rather china have my data than a fucking capitalist company or America. At least china won't do anything to me, our government is more of a threat to the average American than china is.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Or.... live in a place or advocate for a place where spyware cars arent a necessity for simply existing.....

    When something is 100% required for life, someone WILL exploit it

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Hey, man, I'm right there with you. I'm not planning on buying a new car unless I'm 100% confident I can disable or remove all of its networking and spyware services. I'm just stating that it's stupid that the average American will buy a new car and then say this shit about these cars just because they're Chinese.

    Honestly a Chinese car spying on you probably has less negative impact on your life vs any other brand that does business with American companies, of course assuming you yourself are american and live in America.

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  • [+] -12 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Every new car is a piece of shit spy ware device that collects and sells your data

    Fuck me, it has to be sad living in this paranoid state...

    I’d rather china have my data than a fucking capitalist company or America

    Ignorance at it's best. You'd rather support the state that is committing literal genocide than capitalism.

    Sure, capitalism is cancer and sucks, but I don't think it's worse than genocide, mate.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Ignorance is bliss I guess? New cars are pretty much computers on wheels that collect data. This is not a secret or anything.

    I mean, fuck China and the genocide of the Uighur. It's terrible. But I'm pretty confident that capitalism killed a whole lot more people throughout history.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Unfortunately they are all bad. Nissan and Renault did pretty badly on privacy (something about recording sexual activity?)

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    "though researchers identified Renault as the least problematic."

    Renault was found to be the least problematic and this was one point for me to buy a Renault. Did not consent to data collection as I bought it (used). I am not consenting in the cars systems and I dont use the cloud service. Installed OVMS and called it a day...

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    New cars are pretty much computers on wheels that collect data

    There's a difference between what telemetry a German car gathers, and what a Chinese car gathers. And where is it sent.

    The data from EU companies is anonymised and private. The data from Chinese companies is always available to their government.

    I mean, fuck China and the genocide of the Uighur. It’s terrible. But I’m pretty confident that capitalism killed a whole lot more people throughout history

    Ah, I guess it's fine then. Since throughout history more people died because of capitalist policies, then we can support China with a clear conscience!

    I do 100% agree with this, though:

    Ignorance is bliss I guess?

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    The data from EU companies is anonymised and private. The data from Chinese companies is always available to their government.

    Just trust me bro, the EU respects you but the Chinese are out to get you. The same EU that still has a special trade agreement with the genocidal Zionists, and is their biggest trading partner. The same continent that colonized and enslaved much of the rest of the world for centuries.Those are the good guys that you should implicitly trust, no proof needed you paranoid dummy. The red Chinese, they're the scary ones. Fear them.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    when compared with elon's nazi spyware?

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Is it. I know it's a Chinese company but is there any evidence that there is anything going on?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The evidence is in the fact that it's a Chinese company. They are required by law to provide the government with all the data they collect (and we know they collect data).

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Right but has anybody actually run a packet inspector on the data, or even confirm that it is sending packets back and by what method?

    Because everybody "knows" China does this but everybody also "knows" that the Facebook app listens to you. As far as I know no evidence has ever been provided of either claim. The evidence is always ooh well I spoke about yoghurts and then 3 days later I had an advert for a yoghurt, which is somewhat unconvincing as conclusive proof.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The cars have a factory installed SIM-card that allows remote control AND remote access to the integrated phone system (without giving any notion that somebody is listening in on you in your car).

    everybody also “knows” that the Facebook app listens to you

    https://www.estiponagroup.com/blog/shhhhhh-facebook-actually-listening-surveillance-marketing-explained

    As for China - THIS the bog-standard procedure for any tech-related company when an employee has to travel to China. Give them a burner phone and laptop, zero company data on them, zero access to critical company data, after they return, just throw the gear away.

    I honestly don't now what other proof would you need, when we know them spying on regular people has been happening for decades.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    That article does not contain any actual evidence of any wrongdoing by Facebook. The reason I don't think that they are listening is that would be an utterly insane amount of data and 99% of it would be worthless.

    The clinch would be someone pointing to some actual data, which is why I keep asking for the packets, and yet years later no one has ever produced them. No cybersecurity expert has ever been able to show me a packet, it's the simplest thing in the world and, they can't find them. If you're into a conspiracy theories explain how that works. They are allegedly listening to you except there was no evidence of any data is going to the Facebook servers. So how are they getting it?

    Facebook have a lot of data and people really aren't as random as they think they are I'm sure they can algorithmically get this data without having to resort to to listening on the microphone.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Yes it literally phones back every bit of data. What other evidence do you need?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Cool. Now provide us with sources. Besides buzzword banger articles I haven’t seen hard proof. At least not more than other brands. Meanwhile Tesla has been doing this for training their self driving and we’ve been fine with it. And so do most cars under the norm of telemetry data.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The actual packets would be nice. Since you obviously have that evidence because you're saying they "literally" do it would you mind providing it?

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Here you go:

    Do you really think that CCP politely declines this free data? It's so easy to hide spyware under "anonymous performance telimetry" - didn't we learn anything from Cabridge Analytica and a billion of other cases? God lord, you people deserve to be spied on.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago*

    I’m genuinely surprised people be ok with BYD on Lemmy

    You are actually genuinely surprised... people on lemmy like something from china? I guess you know not a lot about lemmy lol.

    Here's a hint: A lot of people on lemmy love china, especially the people who created it, and even moreso the people who populated it in its first days. You should look into lemmy a bit more if that's genuinely surprising to you.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Why would someone who doesn't live in China give a shit about Chinese spyware, especially when the alternative is any of the big US/EU manufacturers who happily hand your information to your own government?

    China can't do shit to yall. I'd include myself in there, but I quite enjoyed my time in China and intend to return, so Chinese spyware could actually be a threat to me.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Even ignoring that horrendously simple minded reason for not caring about privacy...

    You'd still support the CCP lol

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago

    Yes? They've lifted a billion people out of poverty, produce more green energy than the rest of the world combined, helped fight the Japanese in WWII, I might have my criticisms of the CPC, particularly regarding their lack of support for LGBT+, allowing Shanghai to fuck over zero covid until it had to be abandoned, and some really dumb laws, overall I have to support them because we've seen what happens when liberalism triumphs over communism. If you're lucky, your entire populace is immiserated and you get decades of rightwing dictators robbing the populace blind, see the former USSR, If your not, anyone who isn't right of Reagan is shot, see Korea and Indonesia.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Lemmy is weird. As long as you're on the dogpile against the current "big bad" of the week, you're good to go. Fuck Tesla? Then let's buy Chinese products.

    It's insane, but it's where we are.

    It’s authoritarian spyware, period. There are more options than these two - ww don’t have to choose the lesser evil.

    Let's not forget that they are actively committing genocide against the Uighur. I don't think they are the "lesser evil".

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Or still actively occupy Tibet, how conveniently everyone forgot that but yay a slightly cheaper car!

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    What, do you want to bring back the theocratic, slave-owning Lamas? I haven't been to Tibet to as them, but I really doubt the average person wants what you seem to want for them.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Because Tibet never got the chance to transition to a modern country. FYI China invaded in 1950 Oct 6th - at that time big chunk of the world was still theocratic, autocratic and slave owning.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    And during the 1950s, the US trained the former slaves owners, gave them weapons, then airdropped them into Tibet to lead an uprising, they were lynched by their former slaves, but even today is still angling to install the Dali Lama as the head of state.

    If China said "yall are on your own", do you think the US would stop doing what it is currently doing, giving money, weapons (when applicable), and diplomatic support to reactionaries who want to return to those days?

    Or do you think they would suffer an immediate economic recession without China funding their development?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Country: is literally invaded
    Some dude online: but US could have invaded too in some parallel universe!

    Lmao

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    They werent invaded, they were liberated. They were invaded by their former masters, with US backing in the 50s.

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