▲ 1320 ▼ The Browser Wasn’t Enough, Google Wants To Control All Your Software (hackaday.com) submitted 1 year ago by mesamunefire@piefed.social to c/technology@lemmy.world 394 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 127 points 1 year ago (4 children) Its about time an open standard happened for mobile OSes. permalink fedilink source hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] candyman337@lemmy.world 96 points 1 year ago (3 children) That's what Android was and they keep trying to undo that any way they can permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 50 points 1 year ago* (1 child) We need a new one that isn't made by a for-profit company that only was good at the beginning to get total market saturation before flipping the enshittification switch to maximize those profits. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 year ago (1 child) why do we need a new one? can't android be salvaged? lots of things have been solved already in a way that makes a relatively good foundation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (3 children) All the non-Google entities that build stuff on Android need to start banding together instead of siloing themselves. If AOSP is being closed, they need to create a non-profit replacement for it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] amju_wolf@pawb.social 13 points 1 year ago The fucked up part is nowadays third parties like banks or sometimes even governments make apps rely on Google services, so you can't use an ungoogled phone for stuff you actually need for life... permalink fedilink source parent [–] cabbage@piefed.social 2 points 1 year ago* I guess if Google closes down AOSP it would get forked, and the fork would probably be a separate thing from the current Android distributions. So that the landscape would continue to look a bit like today, except that AOSP would be an independent thing. Then I guess it's possible that Google would seek to make android apps incompatible, gradually making the whole thing kinda pointless. I can't say I'm using Android for the great UX - I'm using it because it supports a few apps I continue to be forced to use. If I can't use them on Android any more I'm switching to Ubuntu Touch or PostmarketOS in a heartbeat. permalink fedilink source parent [–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago right! I never understood why isn't there more cooperation between different foss roms, at least sharing patches and coordinating some work. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago* Makes me curious if they think their monopoly or whatever they were called cases making them split their browser are going to go though. If you are going to have to sell parts of the company, now would be the time to hammer home any last minute bad things that would make the companies more profitable. Shows higher income for the sale, and gets it out of the way so the new purchaser doesn't look like the ones who did it, but rather the ones who will make announcements on how they will review things to make them better for the user base. Doesn't mean they'll follow through on them, but it takes the evil and sticks it with the old owners. permalink fedilink source parent [–] OctopusNemeses@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) I disagree. Google has always been a thinly veiled Microsoft. A wolf in sheeps clothing. They embrace, extend, extinguish. It's the same thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] humanoidchaos@lemmy.cif.su 1 point 1 year ago All corporations suck fucking donkey dick because consumers are morons. permalink fedilink source parent [–] axum@lemmy.blahaj.zone 39 points 1 year ago* (2 children) We need open bootloader and drivers for phones to make any real progress on this. This is what's holding back all initiatives. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 10 points 1 year ago and many phone manfacterers, issuers(non google, samsung, or IOs) IS CONSIDERING locking down thier phones. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Tippon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) I wonder if the generic tablets with made up Asian sounding names that you see on the big marketplaces could work? They could have slightly larger or smaller screens if they're cheaper than current phone screens, and could have Linux with something like Signal on them for calling. They'd probably be lower quality to begin with, but could potentially get better if people start to buy them. They seem to have generic hardware, so might be able to offer the drivers and unlockable bootloaders too :) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Tower@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 year ago I'd be worried about vulnerabilities. permalink fedilink source parent [–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 23 points 1 year ago (3 children) the best outcome for the short term would be to forcibly take away android from google and give it to an independent foundation. as I heard antitrust proceedings in the usa were heading that way a few months ago permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 11 points 1 year ago (1 child) not with trump around. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Lfrith@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 5 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago Such things are solvable with a bribe in the USA. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Goodlucksil@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) So basically remove Google integration from AOSP? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago I mean taking away the development access to the project. what do you mean? google based captive portal checks and the similar hidden "gems"? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago* (3 children) FuriOS? Linux-based and runs Android apps. https://furilabs.com/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 child) Not bad, it looks like I have to buy their phone though. Which is not cheap, or performant guessing by the specs despite what the advertising says. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago I saw someone else recommending it. I only hope they take this opportunity to release the OS for everyone, but since they're for-profit, I doubt they will. permalink fedilink source parent [–] toddestan@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* Interesting. I've not heard of FuriOS, but if it is a Linux phone that actually can be used with US carriers, makes calls and supports SMS/MMS, and can do VoLTE that's a actually a pretty big deal. permalink fedilink source parent [–] tomalley8342@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (3 children) Whenever you see a linux phone advertise both security and android app support, you should be wary, since it's likely waydroid or a waydroid fork, and their design goal of running android in a container instead of a VM has lead to some interesting security decisions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] cabbage@piefed.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) I would be very happy if anyone could explain to me in a simple and coherent way why I, as a normal user who am aware of what I am doing on my device and am not targeted by any group that's out to get me, would need a "hardened malloc", "secure app spawning", "vanadium browser and webview", or a "hardened PDF viewer". The last of these four is the only thing that means anything to me, and it sounds dumb. Yeah, I know PDFs can be dangerous if you open random shit, but come on. If I run Waydroid it's only to get my banking app (trusted source) and Whatsapp (not a trusted source but not directly malware either) working. I hardly need their hardened PDF reader. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tomalley8342@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* Not just your two android apps, any program on your system that is aware of your waydroid installation could potentially use it as a path to escalate themselves to root, which is generally regarded as a bad outcome. If you don't care about that kind of thing, or don't think that could ever happen to you, that's certainly within your rights to hold such a viewpoint. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Interesting. Thanks for sharing! permalink fedilink source parent [–] flop_leash_973@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Still using Android 11? Holy hell. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 year ago You realize how many things have gotten shittier since android 11? Accubattery isn't even allowed to monitor everything using up juice any more. You can't customize your own charging curves, you're locked out of accessing portions of your storage on your own phone, and a lot of great power user apks had to completely hit themselves or just stop working all together. What do you need from after 11 that an apk wouldn't have allowed you to do already? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] candyman337@lemmy.world 96 points 1 year ago (3 children) That's what Android was and they keep trying to undo that any way they can permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 50 points 1 year ago* (1 child) We need a new one that isn't made by a for-profit company that only was good at the beginning to get total market saturation before flipping the enshittification switch to maximize those profits. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 year ago (1 child) why do we need a new one? can't android be salvaged? lots of things have been solved already in a way that makes a relatively good foundation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (3 children) All the non-Google entities that build stuff on Android need to start banding together instead of siloing themselves. If AOSP is being closed, they need to create a non-profit replacement for it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] amju_wolf@pawb.social 13 points 1 year ago The fucked up part is nowadays third parties like banks or sometimes even governments make apps rely on Google services, so you can't use an ungoogled phone for stuff you actually need for life... permalink fedilink source parent [–] cabbage@piefed.social 2 points 1 year ago* I guess if Google closes down AOSP it would get forked, and the fork would probably be a separate thing from the current Android distributions. So that the landscape would continue to look a bit like today, except that AOSP would be an independent thing. Then I guess it's possible that Google would seek to make android apps incompatible, gradually making the whole thing kinda pointless. I can't say I'm using Android for the great UX - I'm using it because it supports a few apps I continue to be forced to use. If I can't use them on Android any more I'm switching to Ubuntu Touch or PostmarketOS in a heartbeat. permalink fedilink source parent [–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago right! I never understood why isn't there more cooperation between different foss roms, at least sharing patches and coordinating some work. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago* Makes me curious if they think their monopoly or whatever they were called cases making them split their browser are going to go though. If you are going to have to sell parts of the company, now would be the time to hammer home any last minute bad things that would make the companies more profitable. Shows higher income for the sale, and gets it out of the way so the new purchaser doesn't look like the ones who did it, but rather the ones who will make announcements on how they will review things to make them better for the user base. Doesn't mean they'll follow through on them, but it takes the evil and sticks it with the old owners. permalink fedilink source parent [–] OctopusNemeses@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) I disagree. Google has always been a thinly veiled Microsoft. A wolf in sheeps clothing. They embrace, extend, extinguish. It's the same thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] humanoidchaos@lemmy.cif.su 1 point 1 year ago All corporations suck fucking donkey dick because consumers are morons. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 50 points 1 year ago* (1 child) We need a new one that isn't made by a for-profit company that only was good at the beginning to get total market saturation before flipping the enshittification switch to maximize those profits. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 year ago (1 child) why do we need a new one? can't android be salvaged? lots of things have been solved already in a way that makes a relatively good foundation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (3 children) All the non-Google entities that build stuff on Android need to start banding together instead of siloing themselves. If AOSP is being closed, they need to create a non-profit replacement for it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] amju_wolf@pawb.social 13 points 1 year ago The fucked up part is nowadays third parties like banks or sometimes even governments make apps rely on Google services, so you can't use an ungoogled phone for stuff you actually need for life... permalink fedilink source parent [–] cabbage@piefed.social 2 points 1 year ago* I guess if Google closes down AOSP it would get forked, and the fork would probably be a separate thing from the current Android distributions. So that the landscape would continue to look a bit like today, except that AOSP would be an independent thing. Then I guess it's possible that Google would seek to make android apps incompatible, gradually making the whole thing kinda pointless. I can't say I'm using Android for the great UX - I'm using it because it supports a few apps I continue to be forced to use. If I can't use them on Android any more I'm switching to Ubuntu Touch or PostmarketOS in a heartbeat. permalink fedilink source parent [–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago right! I never understood why isn't there more cooperation between different foss roms, at least sharing patches and coordinating some work. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 year ago (1 child) why do we need a new one? can't android be salvaged? lots of things have been solved already in a way that makes a relatively good foundation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (3 children) All the non-Google entities that build stuff on Android need to start banding together instead of siloing themselves. If AOSP is being closed, they need to create a non-profit replacement for it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] amju_wolf@pawb.social 13 points 1 year ago The fucked up part is nowadays third parties like banks or sometimes even governments make apps rely on Google services, so you can't use an ungoogled phone for stuff you actually need for life... permalink fedilink source parent [–] cabbage@piefed.social 2 points 1 year ago* I guess if Google closes down AOSP it would get forked, and the fork would probably be a separate thing from the current Android distributions. So that the landscape would continue to look a bit like today, except that AOSP would be an independent thing. Then I guess it's possible that Google would seek to make android apps incompatible, gradually making the whole thing kinda pointless. I can't say I'm using Android for the great UX - I'm using it because it supports a few apps I continue to be forced to use. If I can't use them on Android any more I'm switching to Ubuntu Touch or PostmarketOS in a heartbeat. permalink fedilink source parent [–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago right! I never understood why isn't there more cooperation between different foss roms, at least sharing patches and coordinating some work. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] grue@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (3 children) All the non-Google entities that build stuff on Android need to start banding together instead of siloing themselves. If AOSP is being closed, they need to create a non-profit replacement for it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] amju_wolf@pawb.social 13 points 1 year ago The fucked up part is nowadays third parties like banks or sometimes even governments make apps rely on Google services, so you can't use an ungoogled phone for stuff you actually need for life... permalink fedilink source parent [–] cabbage@piefed.social 2 points 1 year ago* I guess if Google closes down AOSP it would get forked, and the fork would probably be a separate thing from the current Android distributions. So that the landscape would continue to look a bit like today, except that AOSP would be an independent thing. Then I guess it's possible that Google would seek to make android apps incompatible, gradually making the whole thing kinda pointless. I can't say I'm using Android for the great UX - I'm using it because it supports a few apps I continue to be forced to use. If I can't use them on Android any more I'm switching to Ubuntu Touch or PostmarketOS in a heartbeat. permalink fedilink source parent [–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago right! I never understood why isn't there more cooperation between different foss roms, at least sharing patches and coordinating some work. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] amju_wolf@pawb.social 13 points 1 year ago The fucked up part is nowadays third parties like banks or sometimes even governments make apps rely on Google services, so you can't use an ungoogled phone for stuff you actually need for life... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cabbage@piefed.social 2 points 1 year ago* I guess if Google closes down AOSP it would get forked, and the fork would probably be a separate thing from the current Android distributions. So that the landscape would continue to look a bit like today, except that AOSP would be an independent thing. Then I guess it's possible that Google would seek to make android apps incompatible, gradually making the whole thing kinda pointless. I can't say I'm using Android for the great UX - I'm using it because it supports a few apps I continue to be forced to use. If I can't use them on Android any more I'm switching to Ubuntu Touch or PostmarketOS in a heartbeat. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago right! I never understood why isn't there more cooperation between different foss roms, at least sharing patches and coordinating some work. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago* Makes me curious if they think their monopoly or whatever they were called cases making them split their browser are going to go though. If you are going to have to sell parts of the company, now would be the time to hammer home any last minute bad things that would make the companies more profitable. Shows higher income for the sale, and gets it out of the way so the new purchaser doesn't look like the ones who did it, but rather the ones who will make announcements on how they will review things to make them better for the user base. Doesn't mean they'll follow through on them, but it takes the evil and sticks it with the old owners. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] OctopusNemeses@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) I disagree. Google has always been a thinly veiled Microsoft. A wolf in sheeps clothing. They embrace, extend, extinguish. It's the same thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] humanoidchaos@lemmy.cif.su 1 point 1 year ago All corporations suck fucking donkey dick because consumers are morons. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] humanoidchaos@lemmy.cif.su 1 point 1 year ago All corporations suck fucking donkey dick because consumers are morons. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] axum@lemmy.blahaj.zone 39 points 1 year ago* (2 children) We need open bootloader and drivers for phones to make any real progress on this. This is what's holding back all initiatives. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 10 points 1 year ago and many phone manfacterers, issuers(non google, samsung, or IOs) IS CONSIDERING locking down thier phones. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Tippon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) I wonder if the generic tablets with made up Asian sounding names that you see on the big marketplaces could work? They could have slightly larger or smaller screens if they're cheaper than current phone screens, and could have Linux with something like Signal on them for calling. They'd probably be lower quality to begin with, but could potentially get better if people start to buy them. They seem to have generic hardware, so might be able to offer the drivers and unlockable bootloaders too :) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Tower@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 year ago I'd be worried about vulnerabilities. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 10 points 1 year ago and many phone manfacterers, issuers(non google, samsung, or IOs) IS CONSIDERING locking down thier phones. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Tippon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) I wonder if the generic tablets with made up Asian sounding names that you see on the big marketplaces could work? They could have slightly larger or smaller screens if they're cheaper than current phone screens, and could have Linux with something like Signal on them for calling. They'd probably be lower quality to begin with, but could potentially get better if people start to buy them. They seem to have generic hardware, so might be able to offer the drivers and unlockable bootloaders too :) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Tower@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 year ago I'd be worried about vulnerabilities. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Tower@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 year ago I'd be worried about vulnerabilities. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 23 points 1 year ago (3 children) the best outcome for the short term would be to forcibly take away android from google and give it to an independent foundation. as I heard antitrust proceedings in the usa were heading that way a few months ago permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 11 points 1 year ago (1 child) not with trump around. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Lfrith@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 5 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago Such things are solvable with a bribe in the USA. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Goodlucksil@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) So basically remove Google integration from AOSP? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago I mean taking away the development access to the project. what do you mean? google based captive portal checks and the similar hidden "gems"? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 11 points 1 year ago (1 child) not with trump around. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Lfrith@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 5 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Lfrith@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 5 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago Such things are solvable with a bribe in the USA. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Goodlucksil@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) So basically remove Google integration from AOSP? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago I mean taking away the development access to the project. what do you mean? google based captive portal checks and the similar hidden "gems"? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago I mean taking away the development access to the project. what do you mean? google based captive portal checks and the similar hidden "gems"? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago* (3 children) FuriOS? Linux-based and runs Android apps. https://furilabs.com/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 child) Not bad, it looks like I have to buy their phone though. Which is not cheap, or performant guessing by the specs despite what the advertising says. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago I saw someone else recommending it. I only hope they take this opportunity to release the OS for everyone, but since they're for-profit, I doubt they will. permalink fedilink source parent [–] toddestan@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* Interesting. I've not heard of FuriOS, but if it is a Linux phone that actually can be used with US carriers, makes calls and supports SMS/MMS, and can do VoLTE that's a actually a pretty big deal. permalink fedilink source parent [–] tomalley8342@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (3 children) Whenever you see a linux phone advertise both security and android app support, you should be wary, since it's likely waydroid or a waydroid fork, and their design goal of running android in a container instead of a VM has lead to some interesting security decisions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] cabbage@piefed.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) I would be very happy if anyone could explain to me in a simple and coherent way why I, as a normal user who am aware of what I am doing on my device and am not targeted by any group that's out to get me, would need a "hardened malloc", "secure app spawning", "vanadium browser and webview", or a "hardened PDF viewer". The last of these four is the only thing that means anything to me, and it sounds dumb. Yeah, I know PDFs can be dangerous if you open random shit, but come on. If I run Waydroid it's only to get my banking app (trusted source) and Whatsapp (not a trusted source but not directly malware either) working. I hardly need their hardened PDF reader. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tomalley8342@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* Not just your two android apps, any program on your system that is aware of your waydroid installation could potentially use it as a path to escalate themselves to root, which is generally regarded as a bad outcome. If you don't care about that kind of thing, or don't think that could ever happen to you, that's certainly within your rights to hold such a viewpoint. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Interesting. Thanks for sharing! permalink fedilink source parent [–] flop_leash_973@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Still using Android 11? Holy hell. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 year ago You realize how many things have gotten shittier since android 11? Accubattery isn't even allowed to monitor everything using up juice any more. You can't customize your own charging curves, you're locked out of accessing portions of your storage on your own phone, and a lot of great power user apks had to completely hit themselves or just stop working all together. What do you need from after 11 that an apk wouldn't have allowed you to do already? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 child) Not bad, it looks like I have to buy their phone though. Which is not cheap, or performant guessing by the specs despite what the advertising says. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago I saw someone else recommending it. I only hope they take this opportunity to release the OS for everyone, but since they're for-profit, I doubt they will. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago I saw someone else recommending it. I only hope they take this opportunity to release the OS for everyone, but since they're for-profit, I doubt they will. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] toddestan@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* Interesting. I've not heard of FuriOS, but if it is a Linux phone that actually can be used with US carriers, makes calls and supports SMS/MMS, and can do VoLTE that's a actually a pretty big deal. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] tomalley8342@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (3 children) Whenever you see a linux phone advertise both security and android app support, you should be wary, since it's likely waydroid or a waydroid fork, and their design goal of running android in a container instead of a VM has lead to some interesting security decisions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] cabbage@piefed.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) I would be very happy if anyone could explain to me in a simple and coherent way why I, as a normal user who am aware of what I am doing on my device and am not targeted by any group that's out to get me, would need a "hardened malloc", "secure app spawning", "vanadium browser and webview", or a "hardened PDF viewer". The last of these four is the only thing that means anything to me, and it sounds dumb. Yeah, I know PDFs can be dangerous if you open random shit, but come on. If I run Waydroid it's only to get my banking app (trusted source) and Whatsapp (not a trusted source but not directly malware either) working. I hardly need their hardened PDF reader. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tomalley8342@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* Not just your two android apps, any program on your system that is aware of your waydroid installation could potentially use it as a path to escalate themselves to root, which is generally regarded as a bad outcome. If you don't care about that kind of thing, or don't think that could ever happen to you, that's certainly within your rights to hold such a viewpoint. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Interesting. Thanks for sharing! permalink fedilink source parent [–] flop_leash_973@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Still using Android 11? Holy hell. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 year ago You realize how many things have gotten shittier since android 11? Accubattery isn't even allowed to monitor everything using up juice any more. You can't customize your own charging curves, you're locked out of accessing portions of your storage on your own phone, and a lot of great power user apks had to completely hit themselves or just stop working all together. What do you need from after 11 that an apk wouldn't have allowed you to do already? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cabbage@piefed.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) I would be very happy if anyone could explain to me in a simple and coherent way why I, as a normal user who am aware of what I am doing on my device and am not targeted by any group that's out to get me, would need a "hardened malloc", "secure app spawning", "vanadium browser and webview", or a "hardened PDF viewer". The last of these four is the only thing that means anything to me, and it sounds dumb. Yeah, I know PDFs can be dangerous if you open random shit, but come on. If I run Waydroid it's only to get my banking app (trusted source) and Whatsapp (not a trusted source but not directly malware either) working. I hardly need their hardened PDF reader. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tomalley8342@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* Not just your two android apps, any program on your system that is aware of your waydroid installation could potentially use it as a path to escalate themselves to root, which is generally regarded as a bad outcome. If you don't care about that kind of thing, or don't think that could ever happen to you, that's certainly within your rights to hold such a viewpoint. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] tomalley8342@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* Not just your two android apps, any program on your system that is aware of your waydroid installation could potentially use it as a path to escalate themselves to root, which is generally regarded as a bad outcome. If you don't care about that kind of thing, or don't think that could ever happen to you, that's certainly within your rights to hold such a viewpoint. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Interesting. Thanks for sharing! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] flop_leash_973@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Still using Android 11? Holy hell. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 year ago You realize how many things have gotten shittier since android 11? Accubattery isn't even allowed to monitor everything using up juice any more. You can't customize your own charging curves, you're locked out of accessing portions of your storage on your own phone, and a lot of great power user apks had to completely hit themselves or just stop working all together. What do you need from after 11 that an apk wouldn't have allowed you to do already? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 year ago You realize how many things have gotten shittier since android 11? Accubattery isn't even allowed to monitor everything using up juice any more. You can't customize your own charging curves, you're locked out of accessing portions of your storage on your own phone, and a lot of great power user apks had to completely hit themselves or just stop working all together. What do you need from after 11 that an apk wouldn't have allowed you to do already? permalink fedilink source parent