▲ 1320 ▼ The Browser Wasn’t Enough, Google Wants To Control All Your Software (hackaday.com) submitted 1 year ago by mesamunefire@piefed.social to c/technology@lemmy.world 394 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago* (3 children) FuriOS? Linux-based and runs Android apps. https://furilabs.com/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 child) Not bad, it looks like I have to buy their phone though. Which is not cheap, or performant guessing by the specs despite what the advertising says. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago I saw someone else recommending it. I only hope they take this opportunity to release the OS for everyone, but since they're for-profit, I doubt they will. permalink fedilink source parent [–] toddestan@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* Interesting. I've not heard of FuriOS, but if it is a Linux phone that actually can be used with US carriers, makes calls and supports SMS/MMS, and can do VoLTE that's a actually a pretty big deal. permalink fedilink source parent [–] tomalley8342@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (3 children) Whenever you see a linux phone advertise both security and android app support, you should be wary, since it's likely waydroid or a waydroid fork, and their design goal of running android in a container instead of a VM has lead to some interesting security decisions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] cabbage@piefed.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) I would be very happy if anyone could explain to me in a simple and coherent way why I, as a normal user who am aware of what I am doing on my device and am not targeted by any group that's out to get me, would need a "hardened malloc", "secure app spawning", "vanadium browser and webview", or a "hardened PDF viewer". The last of these four is the only thing that means anything to me, and it sounds dumb. Yeah, I know PDFs can be dangerous if you open random shit, but come on. If I run Waydroid it's only to get my banking app (trusted source) and Whatsapp (not a trusted source but not directly malware either) working. I hardly need their hardened PDF reader. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tomalley8342@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* Not just your two android apps, any program on your system that is aware of your waydroid installation could potentially use it as a path to escalate themselves to root, which is generally regarded as a bad outcome. If you don't care about that kind of thing, or don't think that could ever happen to you, that's certainly within your rights to hold such a viewpoint. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Interesting. Thanks for sharing! permalink fedilink source parent [–] flop_leash_973@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Still using Android 11? Holy hell. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 year ago You realize how many things have gotten shittier since android 11? Accubattery isn't even allowed to monitor everything using up juice any more. You can't customize your own charging curves, you're locked out of accessing portions of your storage on your own phone, and a lot of great power user apks had to completely hit themselves or just stop working all together. What do you need from after 11 that an apk wouldn't have allowed you to do already? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 child) Not bad, it looks like I have to buy their phone though. Which is not cheap, or performant guessing by the specs despite what the advertising says. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago I saw someone else recommending it. I only hope they take this opportunity to release the OS for everyone, but since they're for-profit, I doubt they will. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago I saw someone else recommending it. I only hope they take this opportunity to release the OS for everyone, but since they're for-profit, I doubt they will. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] toddestan@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* Interesting. I've not heard of FuriOS, but if it is a Linux phone that actually can be used with US carriers, makes calls and supports SMS/MMS, and can do VoLTE that's a actually a pretty big deal. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] tomalley8342@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (3 children) Whenever you see a linux phone advertise both security and android app support, you should be wary, since it's likely waydroid or a waydroid fork, and their design goal of running android in a container instead of a VM has lead to some interesting security decisions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] cabbage@piefed.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) I would be very happy if anyone could explain to me in a simple and coherent way why I, as a normal user who am aware of what I am doing on my device and am not targeted by any group that's out to get me, would need a "hardened malloc", "secure app spawning", "vanadium browser and webview", or a "hardened PDF viewer". The last of these four is the only thing that means anything to me, and it sounds dumb. Yeah, I know PDFs can be dangerous if you open random shit, but come on. If I run Waydroid it's only to get my banking app (trusted source) and Whatsapp (not a trusted source but not directly malware either) working. I hardly need their hardened PDF reader. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tomalley8342@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* Not just your two android apps, any program on your system that is aware of your waydroid installation could potentially use it as a path to escalate themselves to root, which is generally regarded as a bad outcome. If you don't care about that kind of thing, or don't think that could ever happen to you, that's certainly within your rights to hold such a viewpoint. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Interesting. Thanks for sharing! permalink fedilink source parent [–] flop_leash_973@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Still using Android 11? Holy hell. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 year ago You realize how many things have gotten shittier since android 11? Accubattery isn't even allowed to monitor everything using up juice any more. You can't customize your own charging curves, you're locked out of accessing portions of your storage on your own phone, and a lot of great power user apks had to completely hit themselves or just stop working all together. What do you need from after 11 that an apk wouldn't have allowed you to do already? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cabbage@piefed.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) I would be very happy if anyone could explain to me in a simple and coherent way why I, as a normal user who am aware of what I am doing on my device and am not targeted by any group that's out to get me, would need a "hardened malloc", "secure app spawning", "vanadium browser and webview", or a "hardened PDF viewer". The last of these four is the only thing that means anything to me, and it sounds dumb. Yeah, I know PDFs can be dangerous if you open random shit, but come on. If I run Waydroid it's only to get my banking app (trusted source) and Whatsapp (not a trusted source but not directly malware either) working. I hardly need their hardened PDF reader. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tomalley8342@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* Not just your two android apps, any program on your system that is aware of your waydroid installation could potentially use it as a path to escalate themselves to root, which is generally regarded as a bad outcome. If you don't care about that kind of thing, or don't think that could ever happen to you, that's certainly within your rights to hold such a viewpoint. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] tomalley8342@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* Not just your two android apps, any program on your system that is aware of your waydroid installation could potentially use it as a path to escalate themselves to root, which is generally regarded as a bad outcome. If you don't care about that kind of thing, or don't think that could ever happen to you, that's certainly within your rights to hold such a viewpoint. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Interesting. Thanks for sharing! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] flop_leash_973@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Still using Android 11? Holy hell. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 year ago You realize how many things have gotten shittier since android 11? Accubattery isn't even allowed to monitor everything using up juice any more. You can't customize your own charging curves, you're locked out of accessing portions of your storage on your own phone, and a lot of great power user apks had to completely hit themselves or just stop working all together. What do you need from after 11 that an apk wouldn't have allowed you to do already? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 year ago You realize how many things have gotten shittier since android 11? Accubattery isn't even allowed to monitor everything using up juice any more. You can't customize your own charging curves, you're locked out of accessing portions of your storage on your own phone, and a lot of great power user apks had to completely hit themselves or just stop working all together. What do you need from after 11 that an apk wouldn't have allowed you to do already? permalink fedilink source parent