▲ 125 ▼ How would one exit a black hole? (lemmy.wtf) submitted 1 year ago by renamon_silver@lemmy.wtf to c/nostupidquestions@lemmy.world 102 comments fedilink hide all child comments Feeling like taking a vacation.
[–] remon@ani.social 7 points 1 year ago (1 child) Yeah, it mentions it at the end under the "Experimental observation" section. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Lumidaub@feddit.org 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Yes, I know, but realistically, many (most?) people just want brief, general information, which is what the introductory paragraph is for, no? So I'd argue it should say "hypothesised" or "predicted" somewhere in the, ideally, first sentence. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] remon@ani.social 4 points 1 year ago* (1 child) It does say that it is a "model" and "predicted" in the first paragraph. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Lumidaub@feddit.org 2 points 1 year ago* (1 child) Okay, might have worded that better. It says "The radiation was not predicted by previous models" and "is predicted to be extremely faint", not "it is predicted to exist" - and also "[it] is many orders of magnitude below [...]" which sounds like a statement of fact. I realise this may be nitpicky but I don't know if people who don't know anything about the subject would interpret that as "we don't really know if it even exists yet". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) It is difficult to be certain about unmeasured things. It would help everyone if those who don't know anything about the subject would understand that science is about approaching clarity and the scientists are so zoomed out on some things that it isn't always as clear as anyone wants. But scientists are still trying to answer the question. They are trying to help. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Lumidaub@feddit.org 1 point 1 year ago I agree, definitely. But here we are, the reality is that people read first paragraphs at best (which there can be valid reasons for) and take away "ah yes, Hawking radiation is a thing black holes do, science says so". A reader who is interested further and has the mental capacities after working 8 hours 5 days a week to scroll down and read about experimental observations might also realise "oh wait, it isn't actually clear whether it does exist" but you can't expect that from everybody (unfortunate as that may be). This particular instance may be harmless because it probably doesn't affect anything in everyday life. But in general I think a first paragraph in an encyclopaedic source that wants to inform the general public should be very clear about it when a thing is hypothesised and hasn't been shown to exist. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Lumidaub@feddit.org 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Yes, I know, but realistically, many (most?) people just want brief, general information, which is what the introductory paragraph is for, no? So I'd argue it should say "hypothesised" or "predicted" somewhere in the, ideally, first sentence. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] remon@ani.social 4 points 1 year ago* (1 child) It does say that it is a "model" and "predicted" in the first paragraph. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Lumidaub@feddit.org 2 points 1 year ago* (1 child) Okay, might have worded that better. It says "The radiation was not predicted by previous models" and "is predicted to be extremely faint", not "it is predicted to exist" - and also "[it] is many orders of magnitude below [...]" which sounds like a statement of fact. I realise this may be nitpicky but I don't know if people who don't know anything about the subject would interpret that as "we don't really know if it even exists yet". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) It is difficult to be certain about unmeasured things. It would help everyone if those who don't know anything about the subject would understand that science is about approaching clarity and the scientists are so zoomed out on some things that it isn't always as clear as anyone wants. But scientists are still trying to answer the question. They are trying to help. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Lumidaub@feddit.org 1 point 1 year ago I agree, definitely. But here we are, the reality is that people read first paragraphs at best (which there can be valid reasons for) and take away "ah yes, Hawking radiation is a thing black holes do, science says so". A reader who is interested further and has the mental capacities after working 8 hours 5 days a week to scroll down and read about experimental observations might also realise "oh wait, it isn't actually clear whether it does exist" but you can't expect that from everybody (unfortunate as that may be). This particular instance may be harmless because it probably doesn't affect anything in everyday life. But in general I think a first paragraph in an encyclopaedic source that wants to inform the general public should be very clear about it when a thing is hypothesised and hasn't been shown to exist. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] remon@ani.social 4 points 1 year ago* (1 child) It does say that it is a "model" and "predicted" in the first paragraph. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Lumidaub@feddit.org 2 points 1 year ago* (1 child) Okay, might have worded that better. It says "The radiation was not predicted by previous models" and "is predicted to be extremely faint", not "it is predicted to exist" - and also "[it] is many orders of magnitude below [...]" which sounds like a statement of fact. I realise this may be nitpicky but I don't know if people who don't know anything about the subject would interpret that as "we don't really know if it even exists yet". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) It is difficult to be certain about unmeasured things. It would help everyone if those who don't know anything about the subject would understand that science is about approaching clarity and the scientists are so zoomed out on some things that it isn't always as clear as anyone wants. But scientists are still trying to answer the question. They are trying to help. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Lumidaub@feddit.org 1 point 1 year ago I agree, definitely. But here we are, the reality is that people read first paragraphs at best (which there can be valid reasons for) and take away "ah yes, Hawking radiation is a thing black holes do, science says so". A reader who is interested further and has the mental capacities after working 8 hours 5 days a week to scroll down and read about experimental observations might also realise "oh wait, it isn't actually clear whether it does exist" but you can't expect that from everybody (unfortunate as that may be). This particular instance may be harmless because it probably doesn't affect anything in everyday life. But in general I think a first paragraph in an encyclopaedic source that wants to inform the general public should be very clear about it when a thing is hypothesised and hasn't been shown to exist. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Lumidaub@feddit.org 2 points 1 year ago* (1 child) Okay, might have worded that better. It says "The radiation was not predicted by previous models" and "is predicted to be extremely faint", not "it is predicted to exist" - and also "[it] is many orders of magnitude below [...]" which sounds like a statement of fact. I realise this may be nitpicky but I don't know if people who don't know anything about the subject would interpret that as "we don't really know if it even exists yet". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) It is difficult to be certain about unmeasured things. It would help everyone if those who don't know anything about the subject would understand that science is about approaching clarity and the scientists are so zoomed out on some things that it isn't always as clear as anyone wants. But scientists are still trying to answer the question. They are trying to help. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Lumidaub@feddit.org 1 point 1 year ago I agree, definitely. But here we are, the reality is that people read first paragraphs at best (which there can be valid reasons for) and take away "ah yes, Hawking radiation is a thing black holes do, science says so". A reader who is interested further and has the mental capacities after working 8 hours 5 days a week to scroll down and read about experimental observations might also realise "oh wait, it isn't actually clear whether it does exist" but you can't expect that from everybody (unfortunate as that may be). This particular instance may be harmless because it probably doesn't affect anything in everyday life. But in general I think a first paragraph in an encyclopaedic source that wants to inform the general public should be very clear about it when a thing is hypothesised and hasn't been shown to exist. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) It is difficult to be certain about unmeasured things. It would help everyone if those who don't know anything about the subject would understand that science is about approaching clarity and the scientists are so zoomed out on some things that it isn't always as clear as anyone wants. But scientists are still trying to answer the question. They are trying to help. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Lumidaub@feddit.org 1 point 1 year ago I agree, definitely. But here we are, the reality is that people read first paragraphs at best (which there can be valid reasons for) and take away "ah yes, Hawking radiation is a thing black holes do, science says so". A reader who is interested further and has the mental capacities after working 8 hours 5 days a week to scroll down and read about experimental observations might also realise "oh wait, it isn't actually clear whether it does exist" but you can't expect that from everybody (unfortunate as that may be). This particular instance may be harmless because it probably doesn't affect anything in everyday life. But in general I think a first paragraph in an encyclopaedic source that wants to inform the general public should be very clear about it when a thing is hypothesised and hasn't been shown to exist. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Lumidaub@feddit.org 1 point 1 year ago I agree, definitely. But here we are, the reality is that people read first paragraphs at best (which there can be valid reasons for) and take away "ah yes, Hawking radiation is a thing black holes do, science says so". A reader who is interested further and has the mental capacities after working 8 hours 5 days a week to scroll down and read about experimental observations might also realise "oh wait, it isn't actually clear whether it does exist" but you can't expect that from everybody (unfortunate as that may be). This particular instance may be harmless because it probably doesn't affect anything in everyday life. But in general I think a first paragraph in an encyclopaedic source that wants to inform the general public should be very clear about it when a thing is hypothesised and hasn't been shown to exist. permalink fedilink source parent