▲ 806 ▼ Microsoft Is Now Being Sued Over Sunsetting Windows 10 (lifehacker.com) submitted 1 year ago by faizalr@fedia.io to c/technology@lemmy.world 173 comments fedilink hide all child comments Microsoft is being sued by a man who feels cheated by the current plans to sunset Windows 10. He makes some good points, but I doubt he'll win.
[–] pokexpert30@jlai.lu 39 points 1 year ago (15 children) People will do ANYTHING but switch to linux, huh. permalink fedilink source hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] Iunnrais@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago Some key software I need to use doesn’t work on Linux, and is unlikely to be able to in the near future, sorry. I did use Linux for a while, mind you, and I more or less like it… but a computer is only useful if it runs the software you need to do the things you want to do with it. I don’t want to downgrade to windows 11, but I’m going to be forced to. And to even do that I’m going to need to bypass the hardware authenticator, as I’m apparently ever so slightly behind their so-called minimum requirements, which aren’t really minimum requirements but just a push to get me to buy a new PC I don’t need. permalink fedilink source parent [–] oatscoop@midwest.social 9 points 1 year ago* (2 children) My daily driver laptop, home servers, media center, NAS, etc are all Linux. My gaming computer isn't -- as much as I would like it to be. There are certain things (particularly VR) that don't want to work well in Linux. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vithigar@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago I'm in exactly the same boat. Five linux machines in the house plus two windows gaming rigs, mine and my partners. permalink fedilink source parent [–] utopiah@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago Which VR headset? Don't have problem with Valve Index or Quests. permalink fedilink source parent [–] absentbird@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (3 children) I've found that many people will go to great lengths to avoid learning anything new. They want to be able to ignore their computers as much as possible, even considering the prospect of alternative software is taxing and upsetting for them. I think that's basically how Microsoft and Adobe are so successful, they bought and cheated their way into the default position, and now they can do whatever they want with no real repercussions. The user wants to click on the same icons with the same names as before, sometimes it's as simple as wanting the same name; if it's not called 'outlook' they don't want it, doesn't matter how well it works. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago* So I'm partially on board with you. HOWEVER, windows 11 is dog shit. It's been over 2 years and is still broken. Missing many features that are available in 10, some super basic shit. Don't even get me started on teams/teams classic/teams new, outlook classic/outlook new (also dog shit, dragged a folder inside a folder and it fucking vanished. Had to disable "new" to get it back). Fuck new outlook. I feel like Microsoft is fragmented with what they want to do and not going anywhere, so we're here with half broken paid app$. Coupled with the fact 11 is really pushing ai crap, won't run legit on decent hardware, people are tired of having to buy a new computer every four years. I'm still running an 8th gen, spent $2k+ when I made it and other than being able to play newer games, it doesn't feel like a thing changed under the hood. I upgrade as needed, added a little more ram and recently got a 3070 GPU, but there is zero reason to replace my machine. Even though 8th gen is the cut off for TPM requirements, my point still stands. I have several 8th gen dells I used as servers, no reason to replace those for an ad riddled operating system. Wanting to change and being forced to upgrade are completely different things and I see both sides, having people learn something new and forcing it for "reasons" is bullshit. permalink fedilink source parent [–] MonkRome@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) I'm fairly techy have a technical job that involves programming, data, and implementation. And I'm still on Microsoft and stock Android. It's really not that complicated for some of us. I'm not on my phone or home computer that much, I have a mile long "to do" list. I'd love to switch over, but it's a super low priority. Even if it would only be a few hours, that's a few hours I could be doing anything else. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] absentbird@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Windows in particular I think gets overlooked as 'good enough', it's only when you get into Linux that you really understand how far it has strayed from the light. You don't need to spend hours and hours to start, you can dip your toes in with WSL, maybe use a Linux VM for a few tasks that make your life easier at work. It's not an all-or-nothing affair, but having proficiency in more than one operating system is great professional development regardless of your personal computing preferences. permalink fedilink source parent [–] beejboytyson@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) Until Linux uses pretty pictures it won't be a thing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] kadaverin0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 8 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] kadaverin0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 8 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Edgarallenpwn@midwest.social 2 points 1 year ago Businesses are locked in and the people making the decisions aren't IT people. I did the Win11 conversion at my last job and have been working on it at my current position. It might just be my social bubble, but the only people worried about Win10 is corpo. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Lazylazycat@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago I only really use my laptop to DJ and you can't run Rekordbox on Linux. I'd love to swap, but Linux doesn't seem to do what I need it to do. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BillyTheKid@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) I bought a Mac laptop permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 0 points 1 year ago Technically Unix now lol permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Iunnrais@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago Some key software I need to use doesn’t work on Linux, and is unlikely to be able to in the near future, sorry. I did use Linux for a while, mind you, and I more or less like it… but a computer is only useful if it runs the software you need to do the things you want to do with it. I don’t want to downgrade to windows 11, but I’m going to be forced to. And to even do that I’m going to need to bypass the hardware authenticator, as I’m apparently ever so slightly behind their so-called minimum requirements, which aren’t really minimum requirements but just a push to get me to buy a new PC I don’t need. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] oatscoop@midwest.social 9 points 1 year ago* (2 children) My daily driver laptop, home servers, media center, NAS, etc are all Linux. My gaming computer isn't -- as much as I would like it to be. There are certain things (particularly VR) that don't want to work well in Linux. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vithigar@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago I'm in exactly the same boat. Five linux machines in the house plus two windows gaming rigs, mine and my partners. permalink fedilink source parent [–] utopiah@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago Which VR headset? Don't have problem with Valve Index or Quests. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] vithigar@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago I'm in exactly the same boat. Five linux machines in the house plus two windows gaming rigs, mine and my partners. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] utopiah@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago Which VR headset? Don't have problem with Valve Index or Quests. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] absentbird@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (3 children) I've found that many people will go to great lengths to avoid learning anything new. They want to be able to ignore their computers as much as possible, even considering the prospect of alternative software is taxing and upsetting for them. I think that's basically how Microsoft and Adobe are so successful, they bought and cheated their way into the default position, and now they can do whatever they want with no real repercussions. The user wants to click on the same icons with the same names as before, sometimes it's as simple as wanting the same name; if it's not called 'outlook' they don't want it, doesn't matter how well it works. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago* So I'm partially on board with you. HOWEVER, windows 11 is dog shit. It's been over 2 years and is still broken. Missing many features that are available in 10, some super basic shit. Don't even get me started on teams/teams classic/teams new, outlook classic/outlook new (also dog shit, dragged a folder inside a folder and it fucking vanished. Had to disable "new" to get it back). Fuck new outlook. I feel like Microsoft is fragmented with what they want to do and not going anywhere, so we're here with half broken paid app$. Coupled with the fact 11 is really pushing ai crap, won't run legit on decent hardware, people are tired of having to buy a new computer every four years. I'm still running an 8th gen, spent $2k+ when I made it and other than being able to play newer games, it doesn't feel like a thing changed under the hood. I upgrade as needed, added a little more ram and recently got a 3070 GPU, but there is zero reason to replace my machine. Even though 8th gen is the cut off for TPM requirements, my point still stands. I have several 8th gen dells I used as servers, no reason to replace those for an ad riddled operating system. Wanting to change and being forced to upgrade are completely different things and I see both sides, having people learn something new and forcing it for "reasons" is bullshit. permalink fedilink source parent [–] MonkRome@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) I'm fairly techy have a technical job that involves programming, data, and implementation. And I'm still on Microsoft and stock Android. It's really not that complicated for some of us. I'm not on my phone or home computer that much, I have a mile long "to do" list. I'd love to switch over, but it's a super low priority. Even if it would only be a few hours, that's a few hours I could be doing anything else. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] absentbird@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Windows in particular I think gets overlooked as 'good enough', it's only when you get into Linux that you really understand how far it has strayed from the light. You don't need to spend hours and hours to start, you can dip your toes in with WSL, maybe use a Linux VM for a few tasks that make your life easier at work. It's not an all-or-nothing affair, but having proficiency in more than one operating system is great professional development regardless of your personal computing preferences. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago* So I'm partially on board with you. HOWEVER, windows 11 is dog shit. It's been over 2 years and is still broken. Missing many features that are available in 10, some super basic shit. Don't even get me started on teams/teams classic/teams new, outlook classic/outlook new (also dog shit, dragged a folder inside a folder and it fucking vanished. Had to disable "new" to get it back). Fuck new outlook. I feel like Microsoft is fragmented with what they want to do and not going anywhere, so we're here with half broken paid app$. Coupled with the fact 11 is really pushing ai crap, won't run legit on decent hardware, people are tired of having to buy a new computer every four years. I'm still running an 8th gen, spent $2k+ when I made it and other than being able to play newer games, it doesn't feel like a thing changed under the hood. I upgrade as needed, added a little more ram and recently got a 3070 GPU, but there is zero reason to replace my machine. Even though 8th gen is the cut off for TPM requirements, my point still stands. I have several 8th gen dells I used as servers, no reason to replace those for an ad riddled operating system. Wanting to change and being forced to upgrade are completely different things and I see both sides, having people learn something new and forcing it for "reasons" is bullshit. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MonkRome@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) I'm fairly techy have a technical job that involves programming, data, and implementation. And I'm still on Microsoft and stock Android. It's really not that complicated for some of us. I'm not on my phone or home computer that much, I have a mile long "to do" list. I'd love to switch over, but it's a super low priority. Even if it would only be a few hours, that's a few hours I could be doing anything else. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] absentbird@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Windows in particular I think gets overlooked as 'good enough', it's only when you get into Linux that you really understand how far it has strayed from the light. You don't need to spend hours and hours to start, you can dip your toes in with WSL, maybe use a Linux VM for a few tasks that make your life easier at work. It's not an all-or-nothing affair, but having proficiency in more than one operating system is great professional development regardless of your personal computing preferences. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] absentbird@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Windows in particular I think gets overlooked as 'good enough', it's only when you get into Linux that you really understand how far it has strayed from the light. You don't need to spend hours and hours to start, you can dip your toes in with WSL, maybe use a Linux VM for a few tasks that make your life easier at work. It's not an all-or-nothing affair, but having proficiency in more than one operating system is great professional development regardless of your personal computing preferences. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] beejboytyson@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) Until Linux uses pretty pictures it won't be a thing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] kadaverin0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 8 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] kadaverin0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 8 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] Edgarallenpwn@midwest.social 2 points 1 year ago Businesses are locked in and the people making the decisions aren't IT people. I did the Win11 conversion at my last job and have been working on it at my current position. It might just be my social bubble, but the only people worried about Win10 is corpo. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Lazylazycat@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago I only really use my laptop to DJ and you can't run Rekordbox on Linux. I'd love to swap, but Linux doesn't seem to do what I need it to do. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BillyTheKid@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) I bought a Mac laptop permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 0 points 1 year ago Technically Unix now lol permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 0 points 1 year ago Technically Unix now lol permalink fedilink source parent