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‘If I switch it off, my girlfriend might think I’m cheating’: inside the rise of couples location sharing (www.theguardian.com)
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[–] 0 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

all the while this is a major breach of privacy, for both parties, and also of trust.

How? My situation is similar to the person you’re replying to and I’m curious how two consenting adults sharing their location with each other is “a major breach of privacy, for both parties, and also of trust”.

Maybe if one party is unwilling or has no say/control in location sharing but specifically in the scenario at hand I don’t see it.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    because you are not sharing your location with each other. you are sharing your location with a greedy company that also lets your significant other, and then the highest bidder access this information. they are doing whatever they please with it to make (even more) money.
    see, I was so into google's timeline feature years ago. but soon after I realized privacy is a thing I was disgusted of it and turned it off. if you run nextcloud and that addon I don't remember, or reitti, at home and use that, and you keep is somewhat safe*, then it's fine, and I could imagine using that, even just for myself.

    I should have explained that. for some reason I tend to assume that lemmy users are privacy conscious, but that's probably not true.

    * don't expose the services because your data will get stolen and you'll get hacked by automated systems. run a VPN on the server, only expose the port of that. then you can access the services through a VPN. wireguard is relatively simple, and it's secure.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    You can self host location sharing. I do it with Nextcloud. Home assistant can do it too.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I think you didn't read my comment

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    you are sharing your location with a greedy company [...] and then the highest bidder access this information

    Pretty sure I read it.

    You can do location sharing WITHOUT interacting with any "greedy company" or "highest bidder".

    Then you state...

    if you run nextcloud and that addon I don’t remember, or reitti, at home and use that, and you keep is somewhat safe*

    and I confirm that you can do it in Nextcloud, and ALSO Home Assistant... as Home assistant is also likely to be something people are running.

    I think you didn’t read my comment

    I think that you think that everyone who ever comments to your post is always arguing against you.

    Edit: missed a couple of words.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    and I confirm that you can do it in Nextcloud, and ALSO Home Assistant... as Home assistant is also likely to be something people are running.

    I'm sorry, I misunderstood you then.

    I think that you think that everyone who ever comments to your post is always arguing against you.

    I don't think that I think that way. I was responding that because the way the way you said seemed to be more of intending to write new information, than a confirmation.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I get that it’s not privacy focused; so much these days isn’t, but I’m still not understanding how two adults knowingly enabling location sharing via a 3rd party service is “a major breach of privacy, for both parties, and also of trust”.

    I’m gathering that your intent was more along the lines of “it’s not very privacy conscious since you have no control over how the 3rd party uses that data or any way to control it”, would that be accurate?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    I get that it’s not privacy focused

    its not "not privacy focused", but it is completely against it. there's almost zero things private about it, only that it's not entirely public. but tbh, at that point that difference would not matter to me

    I’m gathering that your intent was more along the lines of “it’s not very privacy conscious since you have no control over how the 3rd party uses that data or any way to control it”, would that be accurate?

    well, for the most part yes, very mildly

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    at that point that difference would not matter to me

    Got it. Seems like you’re applying your preference to the original commenters situation; that’s where I was getting confused.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    I'm not sure I understand you, but my point is that I strictly don't want my location history to be known by such a company. if it somehow still happened, I wouldn't care if only that company or anyone from the public would know, because those who really want to know can get access anyway.

    another way to put it: I don't care that my neighbor can have a look at it, because I know they don't care at all, and have better things to do. but in my opinion, if someone cares to check it any time, there's a high chance that their intentions are not good or neutral. of course differences like family, maybe coworkers in very soecial jobs, but otherwise.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    The original commenter explained they and their spouse share their location.

    You said it was a breach of trust and privacy.

    My question was “How? My situation is similar to the person you’re replying to and I’m curious how two consenting adults sharing their location with each other is ‘a major breach of privacy, for both parties, and also of trust’.”

    I understand now that you didn’t mean that it was a breach of trust and privacy literally, obviously they’ve both opted in, but you used that to express your own preference.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    I understand now that you didn’t mean that it was a breach of trust and privacy literally, obviously they’ve both opted in, but you used that to express your own preference.

    well, it depends. I still think they are breaching their own privacy, but they just don't care.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Privacy generally means the ability to control your personal information and how it's used, as well as your freedom from intrusion and observation.

    If you knowingly opt in it’s not really a breach of privacy. They’re choosing to allow a 3rd party access to that information which doesn’t fit with your preferences but it’s not really a breach of privacy or trust.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    they have control over giving that information to the 3rd party, but they don't have any control after that, over how the information is used. with that in mind, do you think they have control over their information?

    they are choosing to allow a 3rd party access to that information

    that's right, allowing that 3rd party. but did they choose to share it with the business partners of that 3rd party too? are they aware of what is happening in the background? even if they didn't just register-accept-next-next-finish it, most people have no idea about it, because there's so little discourse about it.

    like, when I registered to facebook many years ago I had no idea what I was doing. I was using their services a lot for years, blissfully unaware that facebook is a shit company. and what control did I have at the end? the illusion of deletion.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    with that in mind, do you think they have control over their information?

    It’s not about what I think, they have control over whether to share their location data with a 3rd party or not. By definition that is control. They also have control to stop sharing that data at any time.

    Do you have anything to support that the specific system used by the original commenter is using that data in a manner not agreed to when they shared it or in a way that the original commenter doesn’t agree to?

    Or are you applying your own personal preferences and beliefs to someone else’s situation?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child)

    It’s not about what I think,

    well if you think your opinion does not matter in a discussion, I may as well just stop responding. especially since with every response you sound more and more hostile.
    the point with that question was to ask if you disagree. you don't have to say you do, it's clear as day

    Do you have anything to support that the specific system used by the original commenter is using that data in a manner not agreed to when they shared it or in a way that the original commenter doesn’t agree to?

    you are asking for the impossible as they did not disclose what service do they use. but one of the most popular of such services is life360, which has been known to be doing this for a long time

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    you are asking for the impossible as they did not disclose what service do they use

    So you’re applying your own personal preference and beliefs. Saying “all the while this is a major breach of privacy, for both parties, and also of trust” is just you applying your preferences and beliefs to someone else’s personal decision.

    especially since with every response you sound more and more hostile.

    Do I? How so? You made a statement of fact (all the while this is a major breach of privacy, for both parties, and also of trust) about someone else’s choice and situation without any information to directly support it (you are asking for the impossible as they did not disclose what service do they use).

    Calling my questioning and pushback “hostile” seems like bad-jacketing to me. Maybe you’re getting defensive?

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