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[–] 94 points 1 year ago (1 child)

The better option would be to not use spyware as an operating system.

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  • [+] -56 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Do you consider any form of telemetry "spyware"?

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  • [–] 56 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I don't think taking screenshots of everything you do every few seconds is telemetry.

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  • [+] -37 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    It's not, but it's also not spyware - it's local, encrypted, AND optional.

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  • [–] 35 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Microsoft is known for making things “optional” at first then eventually forcing it down everyone’s throats. Removing offline accounts is one of them.

    It’s not so much the technology itself is malware, but its behavior replicates that of malware.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Yes hello John Windows my microwave account name is Oobe\bypassnro

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    This also works: shift-F10 before you get to the network configuration, then type this and press enter start ms-cxh:localonly

    For either method, if you configure networking during setup, e.g. plug in an ethernet cable or give it the wi-fi password, it'll keep returning to the online account screen. You need to do it prior to network config.

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  • [+] -10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Right. So you're all panicking just in case.

    That's what's being swept under the rug as "alarmists being loud".

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The same way you have a lock on your front door “just in case”. It’s not emotional. It’s logical.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago

    The lock is there. The whole thing is encrypted.

    If they somehow go through encryption, they won't just have the EU on their arses, governments of the entire world will be after them, because they trust that this encryption system makes their data secure.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Optional like how it reminds me every 3 days that it wants my info for "customization" purposes, and I can only sleep the notification for another 3 days instead of telling it to fuck off?

    They have been so predatory, at this point no one should see anything they do as benefiting end users.

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Actual optional things are disabled by default.

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  • [+] -11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    So you're saying you haven't bothered to read about Recall at all, you just assumed it's going to be enabled by default?

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Until a windows update kicks in and somehow turns it on for the world. thanks but no thanks. I'll be disabling this not with a reg key but with local policy or DSC if I have to use a windows machine for personal again.

    I switched to Linux 2 months ago.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago

    Until a windows update kicks in and somehow turns it on for the world.

    I don't know if this is a regional thing, but I've been using Windows since 3.11 and have NEVER had ONE instance of an update randomly turning on something that I've turned off before.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Look at this bootlicker ignoring history and saying trust Microsoft.

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  • [+] -8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    "Look at this fossil thinking it's still 1990", I guess?

    Mate, did you miss how 30 years have passed? How the world change? Can you even begin to imagine the fine the EU would slap without a second thought on MS if they tried pulling something like suddenly grabbing these screenshots from users' devices?

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I will pass on being your mate. I don't like shills.

    I am curious though, what do boots taste like?

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  • [–] 52 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    You consider actual, literal spyware as being merely telemetry?

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  • [+] -15 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    What are you talking about now?

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I believe they are talking about Windows, an OS that is spyware and no one should use

    An example of Windows being spyware not standard telemetry is the Recall feature. A feature that doesn’t just tell you how the OS is used but actually takes screenshots every few seconds

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  • [+] -9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Windows, an OS that is spyware and no one should use

    Of, ffs, grow up.

    An example of Windows being spyware not standard telemetry is the Recall feature. A feature that doesn’t just tell you how the OS is used but actually takes screenshots every few seconds

    You have no clue what you're talking about, do you?

    Recall only works on devices with an NPU. Do you know why? Because it runs locally. It's got NOTHING to do with telemetry, because it does NOT send data to Microsoft.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Recall only works on devices with an NPU. Do you know why? Because it runs locally.

    Show code or gtfo

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  • [+] -7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    LOL, this is hilarious :D

    Imagine believing they can sneak gigabytes of network traffic without anyone noticing just because you can't read the code! :D

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    They can process it locally to your point and send txt files of passwords/sensitive info

    However, they don’t have to send anything while such a terrible feature is new. They just have to wait until enough retards accept such a feature

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Honestly it largely is.

    Personally I like sharing crash reports, but even then, the user should be able to turn that off if you like.

    Telemetry should be 100% opt-in.

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  • [+] -27 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Honestly it largely is.

    I mean, by definition, it isn't.

    It's anonymous and not malicious in nature. It's a diagnostic and engagement measuring tool.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    diagnostic

    I think it is useful to send crash reports, but the user should have power over it (see: when macOS generates a crash report, it asks the user if they would like to send it)

    engagement measuring

    That is your data they are taking to make money off of without your consent, and I consider that malicious. There are ways to do that with consent. See: Steam’s annual hardware survey

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  • [+] -13 points 1 year ago

    That is your data they are taking to make money off of without your consent

    I mean... They're a for-profit company, so literally anything they do is to make money.

    But it's not "my data", it's anonymous. The "engagement" info is in relation to features. That's why some features are removed - because nobody uses them. Or rather: not enough people use them to warrant maintenance.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    And how do you know it's not malicious in nature? I'd like to know what your definition of "malicious" is if you're just fine with letting a Corpo run system look at everything you're doing.

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  • [+] -14 points 1 year ago

    And how do you know it’s not malicious in nature?

    Because I have a functioning brain.

    I’d like to know what your definition of “malicious” is

    Malware is designed to hurt you by extracting your personal information or resources.

    Telemetry is designed to give developers feedback about product/functionality usage and is anonymous.

    you’re just fine with letting a Corpo run system look at everything you’re doing.

    I'm not, and it's not. Unlike you, I actually checked what data telemetry gathers and I'm perfectly fine with it. It's inconsequential and anonymous.

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  • [+] -22 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I don't know, maybe because I understand the definition of "spyware" and "telemetry"?

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Well, semantically yes, not all telemetry is spyware. However regarding Windows telemetry it's indistinguishable from spyware - you have no idea nor control over the data gathered, measured and processed.

    The crux is that Windows telemetry is opt out, opting out can't be done during installation, and historically opting out wasn't sticky. Additionally some Windows telemetry is still being sent despite opting out.

    That makes Windows telemetry fulfill all spyware criteria.

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  • [+] -11 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    However regarding Windows telemetry it’s indistinguishable from spyware - you have no idea nor control over the data gathered, measured and processed

    Ah, so you're another one of those fear-mongers?

    Here's the Required Diagnostic Events Fields (required telemetry) documentation.

    Keeping in mind that it's anonymous - which parts of this are you so vehemently against sending to Microsoft?

    That makes Windows telemetry fulfill all spyware criteria.

    The shittiest spyware in history, I guess, considering it's all anonymous...

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