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[–] 6 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

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I've been working on and with sql dbs since... 2011?

Earlier than that if you don't count professional work.

Always pronounced it Sequel, as has everyone I have worked with, at least of those who actually have some kind of software dev related role.

Its got two syllables.

Quicker and easier to say than three syllables.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    It isn't pronounceable as a word, it is an initialism because the letters that compromise it do not allow it to be pronounced as a word. Unlike something like NASA which is a full blown acronym because it can be pronounced

    Do you say hetips for HTTPS?

    The sequel thing didn't even start naturally, it picked up this sequel moniker because of some ancient trademark beef in the 70s between the original devs when it was named "Sequel" and some company (That isn't even in business anymore)

    They renamed it SQL and out of protest against the company people continued to call it sequel even though it makes no sense and 50 damn years later here we are. Everybody involved with direct involvement is probably dead or longggg since retired. It wasn't termed because it was easier to say and it sure as hell wasn't termed because its proper.

    If it was originally called SQL and the above never happened, I guarantee it would just be another DNS or HTTP and many many pointless debates about it would have never happened

    Disclaimer, this doesn't apply to the MS product that is called sequel

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Do you say hetips for HTTPS?

    No, because there isn't an easily pronouncable equivalent word that already exists in english.

    The sequel thing didn't even start naturally, it picked up this sequel moniker because of some ancient trademark beef in the 70s between the original devs when it was named "Sequel" and some company (That isn't even in business anymore)

    They renamed it SQL and out of protest against the company people continued to call it sequel even though it makes no sense and 50 damn years later here we are.

    Yep, and I've worked with a bunch of old timers who were around when that happened, and picked up their pronunciation.

    If it was originally called SQL and the above never happened, I guarantee it would just be another DNS or HTTP and many many pointless debates about it would have never happened.

    I mean, I am not ... debating in the sense of 'my way is objectively correct and everyone ahould say it this way'.

    Obviously I know what anyone means if they say S Q L and this does not bother me, I just am used to more commonly saying it as Sequel.

    Though it is worth mentioning that... history did in fact happen, the original name was SEQUEL, for Structured English QUEry Language, and it had to be changed because a small aircraft company happened to already own the trademark for 'SEQUEL'.

    Disclaimer, this doesn't apply to the MS product that is called sequel.

    Ah, well perhaps that explains why I am so used to the Sequel pronunciation;

    I used to work for MSFT, and a number of other Seattle area companies with siginifcant SQL database backends...

    ... and, given that Seattle was mainly known for Boeing before it was mainly known for Microsoft and Amazon and Starbucks, it does make sense that Seattle area old timers would get pissed over a rival, foreign aircraft company (Hawker Siddely, later merged into BAE) forcing a name change of the software they routinely use.

    ...

    EDIT: So basically, it actually was originally an acroynm, and then got forced to become an initialism, and most the people I've worked with and learned from remember when it just was a pronouncable acronym.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I just view it as a pointless 50 year old squabble, it's current name is SQL to me so S-Q-L it is, ig I didn't have "old timers" to corrupt me during the formative years of my career though so maybe that's why.

    Regardless, my real beef in this is if someone makes hiring/firing/promotion decisions based on that. Like a fun office debate about it, cool, it's whatever. Choosing not to hire or promote someone over something so petty is asinine IMO

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago*

    I just view it as a pointless 50 year old squabble, it's current name is SQL to me so S-Q-L it is, ig I didn't have "old timers" to corrupt me during the formative years of my career though so maybe that's why.

    I mean hey, there ya go!

    Regardless, my real beef in this is if someone makes hiring/firing/promotion decisions based on that. Like a fun office debate about it, cool, it's whatever. Choosing not to hire or promote someone over something so petty is asinine IMO

    Oh I completely, 1 million percent agree, and that kind of bullshit was a huge factor in why I left MSFT and went to work for other places, rofl!

    Way, waaaaay too many coked up MBAs with tiny small dick syndrome, who compensate by developing a god complex and constantly shaming people over not knowing all the latest buzzwords, which they often themselves just literally heard for the first time in their previous meeting.

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