▲ 91 ▼ Solar Punk is just another version of the Nordic model (lemmygrad.ml) submitted 1 year ago by yogthos@lemmygrad.ml to c/chapotraphouse@hexbear.net 247 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] RaisedFistJoker@hexbear.net 27 points 1 year ago (4 children) solar punk is real but not how its creators envisage it permalink fedilink source hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago (2 children) Why is a huge PV field in the Sahara, with all the distribution infrastructure and maintenance costs this requires, better than its equivalent capacity in a thousand distributed solar parks in the vicinity of the cities that use that electricity? A roof full of solar panels can give one person all the electricity they need, as long as they don't need ostentatious individualized transportation and meal preparation powered by the grid. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago (1 child) ostentatious... meal preparation powered by the grid. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago Perfect emote. If you were to revive those two and immediately tell them that a typical person needed a 1100-watt appliance just to make dinner for themself, they'd be astounded by the normalized level of opulent waste. Or that you needed another 700-watt appliance to save 5 minutes on washing the dishes. Or that we build housing so thin that we require another 1000+ watts constantly altering the indoor temperature, instead of using the sun and the ground and wood to keep it within a reasonable range. And the list goes on. This might be a hot take but as soon as we can figure out how to trust each other enough to do things collectively in bulk and sometimes with just appropriate tech, we will have a huge leverage against the capitalists. permalink fedilink source parent [–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml [S] 8 points 1 year ago 🔥 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago (2 children) Why is a huge PV field in the Sahara, with all the distribution infrastructure and maintenance costs this requires, better than its equivalent capacity in a thousand distributed solar parks in the vicinity of the cities that use that electricity? A roof full of solar panels can give one person all the electricity they need, as long as they don't need ostentatious individualized transportation and meal preparation powered by the grid. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago (1 child) ostentatious... meal preparation powered by the grid. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago Perfect emote. If you were to revive those two and immediately tell them that a typical person needed a 1100-watt appliance just to make dinner for themself, they'd be astounded by the normalized level of opulent waste. Or that you needed another 700-watt appliance to save 5 minutes on washing the dishes. Or that we build housing so thin that we require another 1000+ watts constantly altering the indoor temperature, instead of using the sun and the ground and wood to keep it within a reasonable range. And the list goes on. This might be a hot take but as soon as we can figure out how to trust each other enough to do things collectively in bulk and sometimes with just appropriate tech, we will have a huge leverage against the capitalists. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago (1 child) ostentatious... meal preparation powered by the grid. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago Perfect emote. If you were to revive those two and immediately tell them that a typical person needed a 1100-watt appliance just to make dinner for themself, they'd be astounded by the normalized level of opulent waste. Or that you needed another 700-watt appliance to save 5 minutes on washing the dishes. Or that we build housing so thin that we require another 1000+ watts constantly altering the indoor temperature, instead of using the sun and the ground and wood to keep it within a reasonable range. And the list goes on. This might be a hot take but as soon as we can figure out how to trust each other enough to do things collectively in bulk and sometimes with just appropriate tech, we will have a huge leverage against the capitalists. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago Perfect emote. If you were to revive those two and immediately tell them that a typical person needed a 1100-watt appliance just to make dinner for themself, they'd be astounded by the normalized level of opulent waste. Or that you needed another 700-watt appliance to save 5 minutes on washing the dishes. Or that we build housing so thin that we require another 1000+ watts constantly altering the indoor temperature, instead of using the sun and the ground and wood to keep it within a reasonable range. And the list goes on. This might be a hot take but as soon as we can figure out how to trust each other enough to do things collectively in bulk and sometimes with just appropriate tech, we will have a huge leverage against the capitalists. permalink fedilink source parent