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Perhaps Contra will end up being correct. But, do the Palestinians want us to do anything else? The Palestinians I have spoken to have sometimes resigned themselves to the idea that they might have a doomed cause, have they asked me to stop championing that cause? No. Why? Every single one of them wants to TRY.
And that's what matters. That you try.
Andor's Nemik speech is extremely fitting here. It may be true that many causes are doomed to fail, but each and every single act of trying is creating more people that are united in the cause of opposing the empire. Ghorman is a doomed cause from the start, there was no saving it even if they had the entire enemy plan it would be carried out effectively, but what its doom creates is millions if not tens of millions of people in opposition to the empire.
The very same can be said of Palestine. They may be doomed, or they may not be, but speaking of doom is not useful. TRY.
Contra does not want to try because it does not benefit her liberal politics. She is a supporter of the empire, not opposition to it, and she knows that our attempts to try create people that are to the left of her, which is not beneficial to her cause.
No it does not. This is completely bullshit. The antisemites will have that attitude towards jews regardless of the situation in Palestine, and everyone else will immediately love every jew who says "i am not a zionist". The only jews affected by this situation are zionists, they are not affected because they are jews, they are affected because they are zionists. Every single one of them can disarm any negativity towards themselves immediately by saying they're anti zionist.
And finally I just want to point out that this whole post exists to disguise the fact she's admitting that her position is two-state zionism but without actually saying Palestinians should have a state.
I saw a take on Reddit about her that I really liked, and it applies to so many others:
Leftish or socialist-lite people like Natalie do genuinely like the idea of a socialist or at least much more fair and just society. To them, it’s a very nice and pleasant thought. But that’s where it stops for them. They don’t want to think about what it takes to get there. They want to treat a potential better world like a Barbie Dream House; something that’s basically just escapism from the hell we live in now. This is especially easy for libs in the imperial core to do because while we are in hell, our hell is much more comfortable than that of say, the Palestinians or many other people in the periphery. It’s Utopianism, in other words.
And that’s why they hate tankies, because our focus is on how to actually get there. We support China or support Russia’s and Iran’s anti-imperialist actions because it moves the ball forward. They are concrete actions that are necessary to get to that better world. But focusing on the works involved spoils the happy little dream the libs have. Socialism is supposed to be something that will spontaneously appear without struggle or bloodshed. Being told otherwise spoils the dream for them.
Meanwhile, leftists (the cougar is the CIA but we never stop trying)
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
"Revolution is not a Barbie Dream House, or a sick Hot Wheels track, or a pillow fort"
-8 year old Chairman Mao
It's not a doomed cause. We know the dismantling of apartheid ethnostates can happen, because we have done it before. The only doomed solution is the "two-state" solution that would be acceptable to the likes of Nicaraguan Contra Points: One in which Palestinians are permanently dispossessed and under the military thumb of an oppressive regime that they have no voice over. The only outcome of that solution is further violence. The only way to prevent mass violence is to allow the presence of justice.
Her position really does seem to be "I wish my Zionist buddies would just hurry up and finish them off already so I can stop pretending to care about this."
Also, how did you do that page break thing?
Page break is 3 asterisks on a line by themselves ***
Thank you!
It's my favourite formatting tool. Makes things very clean.
hyphens (
---) also work.