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From all the concern trolling I see in the other instances it's clear that there's no winning over these people. Everything is "Kremlin propaganda" to them. I do think a lot of chapos did go a little overboard with the PPB, but even thoughtful responses were met with the "hateful rhetoric" and "Kremlin talking points" BS. As always, it is to the Global South we must look to for any hope in the future...

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[–] [email protected] 84 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Annoying internet arguments aside, the people on the ground in the core also face the most expansive and advanced police state mankind has created yet. This makes doing anything close to truly subversive impossible without extreme precautions. Some Ferguson organizers dying (being murdered imo) comes to mind.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 year ago (1 children)

there were several post george floyd executions as well

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

can you link me to any reporting on that? I haven't read anything specifically but I believe it.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'll have to do some research but the killing of Daunte Wright was sus and I think there was another Fed style execution of a blm guy out west around the same period

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

Michael Reinoehl was death-squadded by state & local police deputized by the feds.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I searched Ferguson and got some stuff about BLM protests in reaction to the murder of an 18 year old. Was there something more recent or was this what you were referring to?

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Two young men were found dead inside torched cars

Ah yes, a very normal and non-suspicious death that happens normally

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

No witnesses, no suspects. No motive could possibly be speculated!

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I feel like this is a copout.

This is an overwhelming case of too many labor aristocrats that can't abandon their class interests.

The way some of you are hyperfixated about Ukraine, cling to China as to fulfill their "communist" promise, and go on being defeatist about America is baffling.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

plz explain. do you hold hope for america? I feel like the Ukraine thing is just because the way democrats just rallied behind another proxy war, and when you say that they go BOT!!

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Also to expand on this, the vast majority of people in the US who consider themselves progressive, who are likely the ones that could otherwise be convinced to join in to a labor movement, are exactly the ones who have been persuaded to believe the #1 priority for good people™ is to support Ukraine. They have also been persuaded to believe that anyone who says otherwise is a threat to freedom and democracy™. In short, the war propaganda has reset a lot of the progress we made during the Trump years where people started to see how broken and irreconcilable amerikkka was, by giving them false consciousness.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Where in my comment did I give anyone an out? I simply added to the conversation by stating a difficulty of organizing.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

It is obvious there were murdered by the police, you shouldn't hedge your bets on this.