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[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago (2 children) comparing the mentally disabled to animals is gross permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Jack@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) The reason many people say it's OK to be complicit in factory farming animals, but not humans, is because humans are smarter: "they're just animals". Pointing out that factory farmed animals are smarter than severely mentally-disabled humans, shows it's clearly not about intelligence. Speciesism is therefor similar to racism and sexism. What's important is whether they can feel pain or not, not intelligence. Pointing out the lie isn't gross. What is gross is torturing 3-6 trillion fish to death every year, and enslaving 1-3 trillion animals in torturous conditions every year. Dominion, Land of hope and glory, Earthlings permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) comparing other races to animals is what racists do. comparing women to animals is what misogynists do. their fight for their own rights isn't premised on their ability to feel pain, but the fact that they, too, are fully human. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AlexanderTheDead@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago "They deserve rights because they are human", ah, okay. So being human is just a magical qualifier that determines whether or not you are entitled to the ability to live unimpeded. Every other species on the planet exists to serve the whims of humanity, for being human is special. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* You're getting a lot of pushback and I can see why, but I've actually been coming to similar conclusions in a different way. It's essentially species narcissism, just like we have racial narcissism, gender narcissism, physical narcissism, etc. But we exist within this planet and evolved with it as well. Factory farming, monoculture, and industrial farm practices are harmful for the planet and us and is pretty bad for many reasons. Being a heterotroph is not something we have control over, however. We consume other species, plant and animal and microbes alike, to get nutrients as do many other species. Even some autotrophs will eat other species. So it's important to not continue to engage species narcissism and thus remove ourselves as participants living with this world. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AlexanderTheDead@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) It would be gross if the comparison sought to belittle the mentally disabled, but the comparison is to point out the cruelty and inhumanity. It's gross that you think it's okay to cause pain and suffering because animals are "lesser" in your worldview. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) I never said they are lesser. you are fighting a strawman permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AlexanderTheDead@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) Oh? If their existence isn't lesser than humanity, then what issue do you take in comparing the value of their existence? 🤔 oh right, it's not a strawman, you just aren't smart enough to compete in an actual argument. Go back to school, champ. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) different things are different. that doesn't mean better or less. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AlexanderTheDead@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago At what point did anyone say humans and cows were the same? Or dogs and cows? You just started saying that because you don't have any actual rebuttal. We compare things that are different all the time- in fact, that's how the concept of comparison works. You can't really compare two identical things because there is nothing to compare. They are identical. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Jack@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) The reason many people say it's OK to be complicit in factory farming animals, but not humans, is because humans are smarter: "they're just animals". Pointing out that factory farmed animals are smarter than severely mentally-disabled humans, shows it's clearly not about intelligence. Speciesism is therefor similar to racism and sexism. What's important is whether they can feel pain or not, not intelligence. Pointing out the lie isn't gross. What is gross is torturing 3-6 trillion fish to death every year, and enslaving 1-3 trillion animals in torturous conditions every year. Dominion, Land of hope and glory, Earthlings permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) comparing other races to animals is what racists do. comparing women to animals is what misogynists do. their fight for their own rights isn't premised on their ability to feel pain, but the fact that they, too, are fully human. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AlexanderTheDead@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago "They deserve rights because they are human", ah, okay. So being human is just a magical qualifier that determines whether or not you are entitled to the ability to live unimpeded. Every other species on the planet exists to serve the whims of humanity, for being human is special. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* You're getting a lot of pushback and I can see why, but I've actually been coming to similar conclusions in a different way. It's essentially species narcissism, just like we have racial narcissism, gender narcissism, physical narcissism, etc. But we exist within this planet and evolved with it as well. Factory farming, monoculture, and industrial farm practices are harmful for the planet and us and is pretty bad for many reasons. Being a heterotroph is not something we have control over, however. We consume other species, plant and animal and microbes alike, to get nutrients as do many other species. Even some autotrophs will eat other species. So it's important to not continue to engage species narcissism and thus remove ourselves as participants living with this world. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) comparing other races to animals is what racists do. comparing women to animals is what misogynists do. their fight for their own rights isn't premised on their ability to feel pain, but the fact that they, too, are fully human. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AlexanderTheDead@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago "They deserve rights because they are human", ah, okay. So being human is just a magical qualifier that determines whether or not you are entitled to the ability to live unimpeded. Every other species on the planet exists to serve the whims of humanity, for being human is special. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AlexanderTheDead@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago "They deserve rights because they are human", ah, okay. So being human is just a magical qualifier that determines whether or not you are entitled to the ability to live unimpeded. Every other species on the planet exists to serve the whims of humanity, for being human is special. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* You're getting a lot of pushback and I can see why, but I've actually been coming to similar conclusions in a different way. It's essentially species narcissism, just like we have racial narcissism, gender narcissism, physical narcissism, etc. But we exist within this planet and evolved with it as well. Factory farming, monoculture, and industrial farm practices are harmful for the planet and us and is pretty bad for many reasons. Being a heterotroph is not something we have control over, however. We consume other species, plant and animal and microbes alike, to get nutrients as do many other species. Even some autotrophs will eat other species. So it's important to not continue to engage species narcissism and thus remove ourselves as participants living with this world. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AlexanderTheDead@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) It would be gross if the comparison sought to belittle the mentally disabled, but the comparison is to point out the cruelty and inhumanity. It's gross that you think it's okay to cause pain and suffering because animals are "lesser" in your worldview. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) I never said they are lesser. you are fighting a strawman permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AlexanderTheDead@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) Oh? If their existence isn't lesser than humanity, then what issue do you take in comparing the value of their existence? 🤔 oh right, it's not a strawman, you just aren't smart enough to compete in an actual argument. Go back to school, champ. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) different things are different. that doesn't mean better or less. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AlexanderTheDead@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago At what point did anyone say humans and cows were the same? Or dogs and cows? You just started saying that because you don't have any actual rebuttal. We compare things that are different all the time- in fact, that's how the concept of comparison works. You can't really compare two identical things because there is nothing to compare. They are identical. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) I never said they are lesser. you are fighting a strawman permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AlexanderTheDead@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) Oh? If their existence isn't lesser than humanity, then what issue do you take in comparing the value of their existence? 🤔 oh right, it's not a strawman, you just aren't smart enough to compete in an actual argument. Go back to school, champ. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) different things are different. that doesn't mean better or less. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AlexanderTheDead@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago At what point did anyone say humans and cows were the same? Or dogs and cows? You just started saying that because you don't have any actual rebuttal. We compare things that are different all the time- in fact, that's how the concept of comparison works. You can't really compare two identical things because there is nothing to compare. They are identical. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AlexanderTheDead@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) Oh? If their existence isn't lesser than humanity, then what issue do you take in comparing the value of their existence? 🤔 oh right, it's not a strawman, you just aren't smart enough to compete in an actual argument. Go back to school, champ. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) different things are different. that doesn't mean better or less. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AlexanderTheDead@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago At what point did anyone say humans and cows were the same? Or dogs and cows? You just started saying that because you don't have any actual rebuttal. We compare things that are different all the time- in fact, that's how the concept of comparison works. You can't really compare two identical things because there is nothing to compare. They are identical. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) different things are different. that doesn't mean better or less. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AlexanderTheDead@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago At what point did anyone say humans and cows were the same? Or dogs and cows? You just started saying that because you don't have any actual rebuttal. We compare things that are different all the time- in fact, that's how the concept of comparison works. You can't really compare two identical things because there is nothing to compare. They are identical. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AlexanderTheDead@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago At what point did anyone say humans and cows were the same? Or dogs and cows? You just started saying that because you don't have any actual rebuttal. We compare things that are different all the time- in fact, that's how the concept of comparison works. You can't really compare two identical things because there is nothing to compare. They are identical. permalink fedilink source parent