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America is the land of the free (slrpnk.net)
submitted 1 year ago by to c/boycottus@lemmy.ca
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[–] 11 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Can USians at least try to save their country without immediately calling for secession? It's so strange that people want to leave the States and break it apart without first making an effort.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    Balkanization would be good for the states. Well, it would be good for some of the states, and for the world as a whole; it would be really bad for the people of the future Mormon Theocracy or whatever

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Because the effort is no longer worthwhile. This country is irrevocably broken.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    No, it's not. Nothing irreversible has happened yet. People have been saying this since Dubya. I was there when people threatened to leave with every election, saying they would move to Canada because the country was done for, and it got so old so fast.

    Consider that the only thing you're doing is completing a self-fulfilling prophecy if you don't resist.

    And honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if some Russian social engineering campaign is encouraging people to follow this trend by repeating it on social media. Do not give in.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    There is so much rot in congress, due to money. The fourth estate (the media) is also rotten to the core, due to money.

    Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission in 2010 is one of the irreversible things that happened already.

    Seceding is probably not the right answer either, but it’s a serious uphill battle for We, the people, to regain control over Congress.

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  • [+] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child)
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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    What was germany after ww2 then?

    If the country is irrevocably broken how do you ensure a peaceful relationship when there's two?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    T bag loves a good wall. The problem every time secession comes up is it's not north vs south anymore, it's city versus rural. I live in a small city in one of the most conservative states in the US. My state voted for Trump by the highest margin in the nation, both times.

    From where I'm sitting right now on my porch, I can see two pride flags flying in my immediate neighborhood. Our mayor is a Democrat and she's actually not horrible.

    But if you go just a bit outside the city, those pride flags are replaced by traitor flags. You almost completely stop seeing nonwhite people, just a bit outside the tiny cities.

    It's not that bad everywhere, but if you think there aren't a shitload of bootlicking fascists in rural California you will be very surprised. 38% of the state voted for Trump. More than 15 Roughly 6 million Californians. EDIT- I mathed bad

    I don't know what's going to happen, but I doubt secession is in the cards for anyone unless the Union is dissolved.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I like to remind people that 38% of votes is not 38% of the population approving of him. you have to consider that not all the eligible population voted, and those who are non-eligible likely aren't licking his boots either. closer to 15% of the CA population voted for Trump, just over 6 million votes.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Hi friend, it seems you forgot the post you're in. Don't you think people need a safe space to ensure they won't get taken away for standing up?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    No, the next step isn't accepting what just happened. We need to discuss this and express our anger loud and clear so we can get everyone on the same page and feel the momentum.

    Being quiet is how you get fascist conformity. They can't arrest everyone, and they won't.

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