Clent comments on Apple just proved AI "reasoning" models like Claude, DeepSeek-R1, and o3-mini don't actually reason at all. They just memorize patterns really well.

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[–] Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Proving it matters. Science is constantly proving any other thing that people believe is obvious because people have an uncanning ability to believe things that are false. Some people will believe things long after science has proven them false.

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[–] Eatspancakes84@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I mean… “proving” is also just marketing speak. There is no clear definition of reasoning, so there’s also no way to prove or disprove that something/someone reasons.

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[–] Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

Claiming it's just marketing fluff is indicates you do not know what you're talking about.

They published a research paper on it. You are free to publish your own paper disproving theirs.

At the moment, you sound like one of those "I did my own research" people except you didn't even bother doing your own research.

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[–] Eatspancakes84@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

You misunderstand. I do not take issue with anything that’s written in the scientific paper. What I take issue with is how the paper is marketed to the general public. When you read the article you will see that it does not claim to “proof” that these models cannot reason. It merely points out some strengths and weaknesses of the models.

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