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Innövative sölutiön (lemmy.world)

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[–] Nikls94@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (21 children)

This image… I don’t know if it is AI or it isn’t… but it certainly feels like AI…

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[–] RattlerSix@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

That's how they make paper and a lot of other flat goods like tape. The manufacturer makes these gigantic rolls then there's this entire industry called converting where a company, a converter, takes it and process it down into a finished product. They may add adhesives, lamination or printing to it during the process.

You can go to a store and buy 3M tape but 3M doesn't actually make it like that. They make a 12ft wide, 10,000 ft roll that someone buys and forklifts into a machine that cuts it into a bunch of smaller rolls that you can buy

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[–] Bluewing@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Those machines are referred to as slitters. I designed and built 2 for 3M Abrasive division back in the 1990's. Talk about a process that involves less than reliable hardware, (I never met an air bar or pneumatic web sensor I didn't hate), and enough wishful thinking to achieve the speeds 3M wanted them to run at that would make an Alchemist proud. I was constantly amazed that my designs even worked at all.

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[–] JustARegularNerd@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Edit: it is AI generated, completely missed the genAI tag on the Adobe Stock website, and [4] is not a ton like I thought, it's 307kg

It's listed on Adobe Stock photos[1]

I did find other similar photos[2][3] so it looks like it's an actual thing that exists. Actually found a listing for a 1 metric ton roll of it[4].

[1] https://stock.adobe.com/fr/images/large-rolls-of-paper-at-a-paper-and-cardboard-production-plant-finished-products-rolls-of-paper-for-further-processing/689500501

[2] https://www.dreamstime.com/large-rolls-paper-cardboard-production-plant-finished-products-further-processing-image299294779

[3] https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo/large-paper-rolls.html

[4] https://m.kraftpaper-rolls.com/sale-11507857-100gsm-environment-friendly-natural-brown-kraft-paper-jumbo-roll-for-making-bag.html

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[–] e8d79@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The Adobe stock photos link says its generated.

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[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

Holy shit. Ok I'm gonna make an ai to feed generated prompts into a generative AI, let it run for a week and sell the mountain of slop as stock photos.

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[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 2 points 1 year ago

Do it. You either get that cheese or they stop being shit.

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[–] OfCourseNot@fedia.io 7 points 1 year ago

[2] is ai generated or so it says. [4] is real but not as big, and not quite a ton, it says '307kg'.

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[–] trd@feddit.nu 4 points 1 year ago

Called a Tambur, usally between 15-25 tonns. Reason not bigger / heavier is that then it starts to damage "crushes" it self.

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[–] OfCourseNot@fedia.io 3 points 1 year ago (12 children)

Most certainly ai generated, many things in the picture don't make much sense when looked at in detail. First of all, who would leave that absolute unit of a roll in the middle of the factory? With an axle inside?

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[–] RattlerSix@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It's getting ready to be lifted like this: https://www.123rf.com/photo_135982015_paper-mill-production-of-paper-rolls-for-the-printing-industry-paper-rolls-in-a-factory.html

The one thing that bothers me is the lack of chocks to keep it from rolling, but we can't really see in the black area, they could be there, or the floor could have an indentation or something

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[–] Crikeste@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago

The photo is AI. There is a tag stating so, though it’s in French.

https://stock.adobe.com/fr/images/large-rolls-of-paper-at-a-paper-and-cardboard-production-plant-finished-products-rolls-of-paper-for-further-processing/689500501

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[–] OfCourseNot@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago

This one's real, but in the other one there's no crane nor rails for it, and there's no machine where it can go in like you see in the back of this one. I can't put my finger on it but I have definitely ai vibes looking at it. As other commenter has said the machinery around doesn't make much sense either.

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[–] Bluewing@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago

Chocks are always fashionable, (and one should always be fashionable), but operators sometimes don't bother during a quick move. And those rolls often get a flat spot due to the weight when you set them down so they are hard to get rolling on a level surface.

Even large rolls rolls of sheet steel don't roll easily on a level floor.

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[–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

As you've been proven wrong, this is a good time to point out that accuracy rates of humans identifying AI pics is ~50%, or no better than guesswork. Keep that in mind the next time you declare something AI. YOU might be the reason an artist quits their passion, not AI

Edit: Since I see how my statement might be misconstrued. I'm aware this particular pic is AI gen. I'm referring to OP's statement about the axle being nonsense, which somebody else showed is standard practice. And that doesn't really take away from my main point.

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[–] Klear@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

As you’ve been proven wrong

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[–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

I was referring to OP's statement about the axle, which somebody else pointed out is standard practice.

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[–] Klear@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

I'm not buying that given the second half of your comment. You're just trying to weasel out instead of apoloigising.

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[–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago

The freaking discussion showing the source and that it's AI predates my comment by over an hour. You can attribute whatever you like to my statement, I've clarified my meaning and if you've never written a comment and had it come out sounding like you meant something else, good for you.

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[–] OfCourseNot@fedia.io 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

How have I been proven wrong? The other commenter posted a (real) picture of a similar thing, that proves that these exist (which I haven't put into question), not that the other picture is not ai generated. They even said that some detail bugs them, so no one has 'proven' the first image is a real photograph.

On the other hand, the poster of that link didn't say they're quitting art, just not posting it online. But even if that were the case, receiving (even unjust) criticism is part of being an artist.

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[–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

Not sure if you saw my edit before replying. I'm just referring to your statement about the axle. I'm aware the pic itself is AI gen.

receiving (even unjust) criticism is part of being an artist.

What kind of logic is that? So let's just contribute to make things worse for them?

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[–] OfCourseNot@fedia.io 2 points 1 year ago

No I didn't, and like the other commenter I don't buy it either. My comment didn't say you don't put the axle into the roll, that's very common for machines that are roll-fed. My comment said you don't leave it laying around in the middle of a factory. Even with much smaller machines, eg a receipt printer, where you put the axle into the roll before installing it into the machine the axle is part of the machine and usually there's only one. You pull it out of the depleted one as you take it out from the machine, put it in the new roll, and install that roll on the machine.

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