▲ 1825 ▼ All smartphones, including iPhones, must have replaceable batteries by 2027 in the EU (mashable.com) submitted 3 years ago by L4s@lemmy.world [M, B] to c/technology@lemmy.world 405 comments fedilink hide all child comments All smartphones, including iPhones, must have replaceable batteries by 2027 in the EU::undefined
[–] Rayuza@lemmy.world 67 points 3 years ago (55 children) All we need now is a headphone jack permalink fedilink source hideshow 55 child comments replies: [–] madcaesar@lemmy.world 101 points 3 years ago (15 children) We need SD cards more. They removed them so they can charge you 300 $ to upgrade 128gb and to force you into shitty cloud service. Again, just anti consumer bullshit spearheaded by Apple and gargled by Samsung. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] el_bhm@lemm.ee 24 points 3 years ago (11 children) I have flashbacks to using external storage on Android. It was such a shit show of an API. That being said, external storage, to break away from cloud storage is the next needed thing. We need to own the data. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] beigegull@lemmy.world 29 points 3 years ago (10 children) When you design an OS to pretend there's no such thing as a file, it ends up being bad at handling files. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 years ago (8 children) Yeah, even today, browsing through files on Android is a fucking mess. And there isn't an SD card. So the SD card wasn't the problem permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Matriks404@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) I was trying to figure out recently how do I copy files into application user data directory, it turns out you just can't, lol. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] bric@lemm.ee 3 points 3 years ago You can with very basic root tools, but really that just solidifies your point. It's an easy thing to do, but they've intentionally taken away the ability for no good reason permalink fedilink source parent [–] LUHG_HANI@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (5 children) It's perfectly fine on Sony Xperia. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network 1 point 3 years ago (4 children) Which did away with the headphone jack and asks €400 for crap performance. Nah I'm sticking to my Samsung XCover permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] LUHG_HANI@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (3 children) Xperia IV aren't crap performance but they are 3x €400 It was the SOC that wasn't great. Nothing to do with the manufacturers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network 1 point 3 years ago* (2 children) Ah, I had the Experia XZ Compact before, the performance was awful, even when I didn't have high expectations. It even had trouble just web browsing static, textual webpages. The camera was really good, but that was the only thing I was happy with. Either way, the fact that your good Sony phone is around € 1200 speaks volumes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies) [–] smileyhead@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 3 years ago* Mobile Linux seems to carry it really good permalink fedilink source parent [–] chaircat@lemdro.id 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) Again, just anti consumer bullshit spearheaded by Apple and gargled by Samsung. Samsung was actually one of the later Android manufacturers to drop it is my recollection. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] LatteWiiU@pawb.social 0 points 3 years ago Agreed permalink fedilink source parent [–] KCN@feddit.it 10 points 3 years ago (30 children) Definitely. Never understood why some manufacturers removed jacks permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 30 child comments replies: [–] sebinspace@lemmy.world 32 points 3 years ago (7 children) I personally prefer my bluetooth headphones, but it's not like bluetooth and jacks can't exist on the same device.. Plus, pairing bluetooth in a car can be annoying as fuck. Looking at you, Nissan permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [+] Mdotaut801@lemmy.world 7 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] limelight79@lemm.ee 2 points 3 years ago BT pairing in our Ram works fine, and it works fine with the aftermarket Pioneer radio in my car. I've never had a major issue with either one with any phone I've owned, iPhone or Android. For our Mazda, though, BT pairing does not work reliably with my Samsung S21 - it's okay for phone calls (in fact, the car "steals" my calls if I'm on the phone at home and my wife gets home with the car), but for music it almost never works correctly, unless I'm also using Android Auto, which is rare because I just don't need it for most day-to-day drives. The BT phone and music works fine for my wife's iPhone, though. I blame the car - my phone works just fine with several sets of Bluetooth headsets, and the other two car stereos. I think Mazda just didn't bother to do any debugging before they shipped that piece of shit to the dealers. (This theory is based on other bugs we've found in the infotainment system as well.) permalink fedilink source parent [–] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 years ago Because they do the bare minimum to meet the spec so that they could advertise it then. They still do the bare minimum now. permalink fedilink source parent [–] macrocephalic@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago Yeah I want a headphone jack, but the truth is that I can't remember the last time I used mine. I have an old phone plugged into an old amp that I can play Spotify through, otherwise I use bt. permalink fedilink source parent [–] KCN@feddit.it 3 points 3 years ago (2 children) Yeah, they could coexist. I'm partial to non-bluetooth, but only because they come in shapes that I find more comfortable, and I've yet to find bluetooth ones that don't make my ears hurt permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Mdotaut801@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] KCN@feddit.it 1 point 3 years ago Yes, I just haven't found any that I found comfortable with yet permalink fedilink source parent [–] SuperSpecialNickname@lemmy.ml 11 points 3 years ago Money from selling true wireless earbuds was too enticing. Even Fairphone made them and removed headphone jack and spat nonsense that it was a "point of failure." permalink fedilink source parent [–] samsy@feddit.de 1 point 3 years ago The argument was saving space for other parts. That's true in a way. But if things needed we should have this space. What's next? Saving the space of the charger? /s permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (20 replies) [–] FireWire400@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago (6 children) I'd be almost ready to say that we don't need them any more if Bluetooth headphones were about 100x better and cheaper permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] T156@lemmy.world 8 points 3 years ago (1 child) At the same time, wired earphones/headphones are already just as good with a lot less parts/complexity. You don't need batteries, radios, and chips for coding/decoding a signal coming out of a headphone jack. You can just plumb it straight into the speakers. No need to mess with controls and all of that, which would make them a lot cheaper. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] beatensoup@baraza.africa 2 points 3 years ago Don’t forget how new Bluetooth headphones require that you download an app to set up the headphone. So a whole new data harvesting broker forces itself right where an audiojack used to be. Check on the AppStore’s the kind of personal data one has to handover to tune the headphones. Total fuckery! permalink fedilink source parent [–] cjthomp@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago Still too much lag. I love my QC45s, but there's still just enough lag to bother me permalink fedilink source parent [–] briongloid@aussie.zone 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) Bluetooth 5+ definitely made wired headphones obsolete for me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] zik@aussie.zone 1 point 3 years ago But now you have to charge two things rather than one. Some people would prefer not to have to do that. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml 1 point 3 years ago Can't imagine that getting mandated unfortunately permalink fedilink source parent
[–] madcaesar@lemmy.world 101 points 3 years ago (15 children) We need SD cards more. They removed them so they can charge you 300 $ to upgrade 128gb and to force you into shitty cloud service. Again, just anti consumer bullshit spearheaded by Apple and gargled by Samsung. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] el_bhm@lemm.ee 24 points 3 years ago (11 children) I have flashbacks to using external storage on Android. It was such a shit show of an API. That being said, external storage, to break away from cloud storage is the next needed thing. We need to own the data. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] beigegull@lemmy.world 29 points 3 years ago (10 children) When you design an OS to pretend there's no such thing as a file, it ends up being bad at handling files. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 years ago (8 children) Yeah, even today, browsing through files on Android is a fucking mess. And there isn't an SD card. So the SD card wasn't the problem permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Matriks404@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) I was trying to figure out recently how do I copy files into application user data directory, it turns out you just can't, lol. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] bric@lemm.ee 3 points 3 years ago You can with very basic root tools, but really that just solidifies your point. It's an easy thing to do, but they've intentionally taken away the ability for no good reason permalink fedilink source parent [–] LUHG_HANI@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (5 children) It's perfectly fine on Sony Xperia. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network 1 point 3 years ago (4 children) Which did away with the headphone jack and asks €400 for crap performance. Nah I'm sticking to my Samsung XCover permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] LUHG_HANI@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (3 children) Xperia IV aren't crap performance but they are 3x €400 It was the SOC that wasn't great. Nothing to do with the manufacturers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network 1 point 3 years ago* (2 children) Ah, I had the Experia XZ Compact before, the performance was awful, even when I didn't have high expectations. It even had trouble just web browsing static, textual webpages. The camera was really good, but that was the only thing I was happy with. Either way, the fact that your good Sony phone is around € 1200 speaks volumes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies) [–] smileyhead@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 3 years ago* Mobile Linux seems to carry it really good permalink fedilink source parent [–] chaircat@lemdro.id 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) Again, just anti consumer bullshit spearheaded by Apple and gargled by Samsung. Samsung was actually one of the later Android manufacturers to drop it is my recollection. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] LatteWiiU@pawb.social 0 points 3 years ago Agreed permalink fedilink source parent
[–] el_bhm@lemm.ee 24 points 3 years ago (11 children) I have flashbacks to using external storage on Android. It was such a shit show of an API. That being said, external storage, to break away from cloud storage is the next needed thing. We need to own the data. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] beigegull@lemmy.world 29 points 3 years ago (10 children) When you design an OS to pretend there's no such thing as a file, it ends up being bad at handling files. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 years ago (8 children) Yeah, even today, browsing through files on Android is a fucking mess. And there isn't an SD card. So the SD card wasn't the problem permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Matriks404@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) I was trying to figure out recently how do I copy files into application user data directory, it turns out you just can't, lol. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] bric@lemm.ee 3 points 3 years ago You can with very basic root tools, but really that just solidifies your point. It's an easy thing to do, but they've intentionally taken away the ability for no good reason permalink fedilink source parent [–] LUHG_HANI@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (5 children) It's perfectly fine on Sony Xperia. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network 1 point 3 years ago (4 children) Which did away with the headphone jack and asks €400 for crap performance. Nah I'm sticking to my Samsung XCover permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] LUHG_HANI@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (3 children) Xperia IV aren't crap performance but they are 3x €400 It was the SOC that wasn't great. Nothing to do with the manufacturers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network 1 point 3 years ago* (2 children) Ah, I had the Experia XZ Compact before, the performance was awful, even when I didn't have high expectations. It even had trouble just web browsing static, textual webpages. The camera was really good, but that was the only thing I was happy with. Either way, the fact that your good Sony phone is around € 1200 speaks volumes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies) [–] smileyhead@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 3 years ago* Mobile Linux seems to carry it really good permalink fedilink source parent
[–] beigegull@lemmy.world 29 points 3 years ago (10 children) When you design an OS to pretend there's no such thing as a file, it ends up being bad at handling files. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 years ago (8 children) Yeah, even today, browsing through files on Android is a fucking mess. And there isn't an SD card. So the SD card wasn't the problem permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Matriks404@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) I was trying to figure out recently how do I copy files into application user data directory, it turns out you just can't, lol. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] bric@lemm.ee 3 points 3 years ago You can with very basic root tools, but really that just solidifies your point. It's an easy thing to do, but they've intentionally taken away the ability for no good reason permalink fedilink source parent [–] LUHG_HANI@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (5 children) It's perfectly fine on Sony Xperia. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network 1 point 3 years ago (4 children) Which did away with the headphone jack and asks €400 for crap performance. Nah I'm sticking to my Samsung XCover permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] LUHG_HANI@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (3 children) Xperia IV aren't crap performance but they are 3x €400 It was the SOC that wasn't great. Nothing to do with the manufacturers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network 1 point 3 years ago* (2 children) Ah, I had the Experia XZ Compact before, the performance was awful, even when I didn't have high expectations. It even had trouble just web browsing static, textual webpages. The camera was really good, but that was the only thing I was happy with. Either way, the fact that your good Sony phone is around € 1200 speaks volumes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies) [–] smileyhead@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 3 years ago* Mobile Linux seems to carry it really good permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 years ago (8 children) Yeah, even today, browsing through files on Android is a fucking mess. And there isn't an SD card. So the SD card wasn't the problem permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Matriks404@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) I was trying to figure out recently how do I copy files into application user data directory, it turns out you just can't, lol. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] bric@lemm.ee 3 points 3 years ago You can with very basic root tools, but really that just solidifies your point. It's an easy thing to do, but they've intentionally taken away the ability for no good reason permalink fedilink source parent [–] LUHG_HANI@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (5 children) It's perfectly fine on Sony Xperia. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network 1 point 3 years ago (4 children) Which did away with the headphone jack and asks €400 for crap performance. Nah I'm sticking to my Samsung XCover permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] LUHG_HANI@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (3 children) Xperia IV aren't crap performance but they are 3x €400 It was the SOC that wasn't great. Nothing to do with the manufacturers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network 1 point 3 years ago* (2 children) Ah, I had the Experia XZ Compact before, the performance was awful, even when I didn't have high expectations. It even had trouble just web browsing static, textual webpages. The camera was really good, but that was the only thing I was happy with. Either way, the fact that your good Sony phone is around € 1200 speaks volumes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies)
[–] Matriks404@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) I was trying to figure out recently how do I copy files into application user data directory, it turns out you just can't, lol. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] bric@lemm.ee 3 points 3 years ago You can with very basic root tools, but really that just solidifies your point. It's an easy thing to do, but they've intentionally taken away the ability for no good reason permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bric@lemm.ee 3 points 3 years ago You can with very basic root tools, but really that just solidifies your point. It's an easy thing to do, but they've intentionally taken away the ability for no good reason permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LUHG_HANI@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (5 children) It's perfectly fine on Sony Xperia. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network 1 point 3 years ago (4 children) Which did away with the headphone jack and asks €400 for crap performance. Nah I'm sticking to my Samsung XCover permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] LUHG_HANI@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (3 children) Xperia IV aren't crap performance but they are 3x €400 It was the SOC that wasn't great. Nothing to do with the manufacturers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network 1 point 3 years ago* (2 children) Ah, I had the Experia XZ Compact before, the performance was awful, even when I didn't have high expectations. It even had trouble just web browsing static, textual webpages. The camera was really good, but that was the only thing I was happy with. Either way, the fact that your good Sony phone is around € 1200 speaks volumes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies)
[–] lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network 1 point 3 years ago (4 children) Which did away with the headphone jack and asks €400 for crap performance. Nah I'm sticking to my Samsung XCover permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] LUHG_HANI@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (3 children) Xperia IV aren't crap performance but they are 3x €400 It was the SOC that wasn't great. Nothing to do with the manufacturers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network 1 point 3 years ago* (2 children) Ah, I had the Experia XZ Compact before, the performance was awful, even when I didn't have high expectations. It even had trouble just web browsing static, textual webpages. The camera was really good, but that was the only thing I was happy with. Either way, the fact that your good Sony phone is around € 1200 speaks volumes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies)
[–] LUHG_HANI@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (3 children) Xperia IV aren't crap performance but they are 3x €400 It was the SOC that wasn't great. Nothing to do with the manufacturers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network 1 point 3 years ago* (2 children) Ah, I had the Experia XZ Compact before, the performance was awful, even when I didn't have high expectations. It even had trouble just web browsing static, textual webpages. The camera was really good, but that was the only thing I was happy with. Either way, the fact that your good Sony phone is around € 1200 speaks volumes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies)
[–] lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network 1 point 3 years ago* (2 children) Ah, I had the Experia XZ Compact before, the performance was awful, even when I didn't have high expectations. It even had trouble just web browsing static, textual webpages. The camera was really good, but that was the only thing I was happy with. Either way, the fact that your good Sony phone is around € 1200 speaks volumes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies)
[–] smileyhead@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 3 years ago* Mobile Linux seems to carry it really good permalink fedilink source parent
[–] chaircat@lemdro.id 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) Again, just anti consumer bullshit spearheaded by Apple and gargled by Samsung. Samsung was actually one of the later Android manufacturers to drop it is my recollection. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] KCN@feddit.it 10 points 3 years ago (30 children) Definitely. Never understood why some manufacturers removed jacks permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 30 child comments replies: [–] sebinspace@lemmy.world 32 points 3 years ago (7 children) I personally prefer my bluetooth headphones, but it's not like bluetooth and jacks can't exist on the same device.. Plus, pairing bluetooth in a car can be annoying as fuck. Looking at you, Nissan permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [+] Mdotaut801@lemmy.world 7 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] limelight79@lemm.ee 2 points 3 years ago BT pairing in our Ram works fine, and it works fine with the aftermarket Pioneer radio in my car. I've never had a major issue with either one with any phone I've owned, iPhone or Android. For our Mazda, though, BT pairing does not work reliably with my Samsung S21 - it's okay for phone calls (in fact, the car "steals" my calls if I'm on the phone at home and my wife gets home with the car), but for music it almost never works correctly, unless I'm also using Android Auto, which is rare because I just don't need it for most day-to-day drives. The BT phone and music works fine for my wife's iPhone, though. I blame the car - my phone works just fine with several sets of Bluetooth headsets, and the other two car stereos. I think Mazda just didn't bother to do any debugging before they shipped that piece of shit to the dealers. (This theory is based on other bugs we've found in the infotainment system as well.) permalink fedilink source parent [–] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 years ago Because they do the bare minimum to meet the spec so that they could advertise it then. They still do the bare minimum now. permalink fedilink source parent [–] macrocephalic@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago Yeah I want a headphone jack, but the truth is that I can't remember the last time I used mine. I have an old phone plugged into an old amp that I can play Spotify through, otherwise I use bt. permalink fedilink source parent [–] KCN@feddit.it 3 points 3 years ago (2 children) Yeah, they could coexist. I'm partial to non-bluetooth, but only because they come in shapes that I find more comfortable, and I've yet to find bluetooth ones that don't make my ears hurt permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Mdotaut801@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] KCN@feddit.it 1 point 3 years ago Yes, I just haven't found any that I found comfortable with yet permalink fedilink source parent [–] SuperSpecialNickname@lemmy.ml 11 points 3 years ago Money from selling true wireless earbuds was too enticing. Even Fairphone made them and removed headphone jack and spat nonsense that it was a "point of failure." permalink fedilink source parent [–] samsy@feddit.de 1 point 3 years ago The argument was saving space for other parts. That's true in a way. But if things needed we should have this space. What's next? Saving the space of the charger? /s permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (20 replies)
[–] sebinspace@lemmy.world 32 points 3 years ago (7 children) I personally prefer my bluetooth headphones, but it's not like bluetooth and jacks can't exist on the same device.. Plus, pairing bluetooth in a car can be annoying as fuck. Looking at you, Nissan permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [+] Mdotaut801@lemmy.world 7 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] limelight79@lemm.ee 2 points 3 years ago BT pairing in our Ram works fine, and it works fine with the aftermarket Pioneer radio in my car. I've never had a major issue with either one with any phone I've owned, iPhone or Android. For our Mazda, though, BT pairing does not work reliably with my Samsung S21 - it's okay for phone calls (in fact, the car "steals" my calls if I'm on the phone at home and my wife gets home with the car), but for music it almost never works correctly, unless I'm also using Android Auto, which is rare because I just don't need it for most day-to-day drives. The BT phone and music works fine for my wife's iPhone, though. I blame the car - my phone works just fine with several sets of Bluetooth headsets, and the other two car stereos. I think Mazda just didn't bother to do any debugging before they shipped that piece of shit to the dealers. (This theory is based on other bugs we've found in the infotainment system as well.) permalink fedilink source parent [–] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 years ago Because they do the bare minimum to meet the spec so that they could advertise it then. They still do the bare minimum now. permalink fedilink source parent [–] macrocephalic@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago Yeah I want a headphone jack, but the truth is that I can't remember the last time I used mine. I have an old phone plugged into an old amp that I can play Spotify through, otherwise I use bt. permalink fedilink source parent [–] KCN@feddit.it 3 points 3 years ago (2 children) Yeah, they could coexist. I'm partial to non-bluetooth, but only because they come in shapes that I find more comfortable, and I've yet to find bluetooth ones that don't make my ears hurt permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Mdotaut801@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] KCN@feddit.it 1 point 3 years ago Yes, I just haven't found any that I found comfortable with yet permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Mdotaut801@lemmy.world 7 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] limelight79@lemm.ee 2 points 3 years ago BT pairing in our Ram works fine, and it works fine with the aftermarket Pioneer radio in my car. I've never had a major issue with either one with any phone I've owned, iPhone or Android. For our Mazda, though, BT pairing does not work reliably with my Samsung S21 - it's okay for phone calls (in fact, the car "steals" my calls if I'm on the phone at home and my wife gets home with the car), but for music it almost never works correctly, unless I'm also using Android Auto, which is rare because I just don't need it for most day-to-day drives. The BT phone and music works fine for my wife's iPhone, though. I blame the car - my phone works just fine with several sets of Bluetooth headsets, and the other two car stereos. I think Mazda just didn't bother to do any debugging before they shipped that piece of shit to the dealers. (This theory is based on other bugs we've found in the infotainment system as well.) permalink fedilink source parent [–] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 years ago Because they do the bare minimum to meet the spec so that they could advertise it then. They still do the bare minimum now. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] limelight79@lemm.ee 2 points 3 years ago BT pairing in our Ram works fine, and it works fine with the aftermarket Pioneer radio in my car. I've never had a major issue with either one with any phone I've owned, iPhone or Android. For our Mazda, though, BT pairing does not work reliably with my Samsung S21 - it's okay for phone calls (in fact, the car "steals" my calls if I'm on the phone at home and my wife gets home with the car), but for music it almost never works correctly, unless I'm also using Android Auto, which is rare because I just don't need it for most day-to-day drives. The BT phone and music works fine for my wife's iPhone, though. I blame the car - my phone works just fine with several sets of Bluetooth headsets, and the other two car stereos. I think Mazda just didn't bother to do any debugging before they shipped that piece of shit to the dealers. (This theory is based on other bugs we've found in the infotainment system as well.) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 years ago Because they do the bare minimum to meet the spec so that they could advertise it then. They still do the bare minimum now. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] macrocephalic@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago Yeah I want a headphone jack, but the truth is that I can't remember the last time I used mine. I have an old phone plugged into an old amp that I can play Spotify through, otherwise I use bt. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] KCN@feddit.it 3 points 3 years ago (2 children) Yeah, they could coexist. I'm partial to non-bluetooth, but only because they come in shapes that I find more comfortable, and I've yet to find bluetooth ones that don't make my ears hurt permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Mdotaut801@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] KCN@feddit.it 1 point 3 years ago Yes, I just haven't found any that I found comfortable with yet permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Mdotaut801@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] KCN@feddit.it 1 point 3 years ago Yes, I just haven't found any that I found comfortable with yet permalink fedilink source parent
[–] KCN@feddit.it 1 point 3 years ago Yes, I just haven't found any that I found comfortable with yet permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SuperSpecialNickname@lemmy.ml 11 points 3 years ago Money from selling true wireless earbuds was too enticing. Even Fairphone made them and removed headphone jack and spat nonsense that it was a "point of failure." permalink fedilink source parent
[–] samsy@feddit.de 1 point 3 years ago The argument was saving space for other parts. That's true in a way. But if things needed we should have this space. What's next? Saving the space of the charger? /s permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FireWire400@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago (6 children) I'd be almost ready to say that we don't need them any more if Bluetooth headphones were about 100x better and cheaper permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] T156@lemmy.world 8 points 3 years ago (1 child) At the same time, wired earphones/headphones are already just as good with a lot less parts/complexity. You don't need batteries, radios, and chips for coding/decoding a signal coming out of a headphone jack. You can just plumb it straight into the speakers. No need to mess with controls and all of that, which would make them a lot cheaper. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] beatensoup@baraza.africa 2 points 3 years ago Don’t forget how new Bluetooth headphones require that you download an app to set up the headphone. So a whole new data harvesting broker forces itself right where an audiojack used to be. Check on the AppStore’s the kind of personal data one has to handover to tune the headphones. Total fuckery! permalink fedilink source parent [–] cjthomp@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago Still too much lag. I love my QC45s, but there's still just enough lag to bother me permalink fedilink source parent [–] briongloid@aussie.zone 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) Bluetooth 5+ definitely made wired headphones obsolete for me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] zik@aussie.zone 1 point 3 years ago But now you have to charge two things rather than one. Some people would prefer not to have to do that. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] T156@lemmy.world 8 points 3 years ago (1 child) At the same time, wired earphones/headphones are already just as good with a lot less parts/complexity. You don't need batteries, radios, and chips for coding/decoding a signal coming out of a headphone jack. You can just plumb it straight into the speakers. No need to mess with controls and all of that, which would make them a lot cheaper. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] beatensoup@baraza.africa 2 points 3 years ago Don’t forget how new Bluetooth headphones require that you download an app to set up the headphone. So a whole new data harvesting broker forces itself right where an audiojack used to be. Check on the AppStore’s the kind of personal data one has to handover to tune the headphones. Total fuckery! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] beatensoup@baraza.africa 2 points 3 years ago Don’t forget how new Bluetooth headphones require that you download an app to set up the headphone. So a whole new data harvesting broker forces itself right where an audiojack used to be. Check on the AppStore’s the kind of personal data one has to handover to tune the headphones. Total fuckery! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cjthomp@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago Still too much lag. I love my QC45s, but there's still just enough lag to bother me permalink fedilink source parent
[–] briongloid@aussie.zone 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) Bluetooth 5+ definitely made wired headphones obsolete for me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] zik@aussie.zone 1 point 3 years ago But now you have to charge two things rather than one. Some people would prefer not to have to do that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] zik@aussie.zone 1 point 3 years ago But now you have to charge two things rather than one. Some people would prefer not to have to do that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml 1 point 3 years ago Can't imagine that getting mandated unfortunately permalink fedilink source parent