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Tesla Full-Self Driving Veers Off Road, Hits Tree, and Flips Car for No Obvious Reason (No Serious Injuries, but Scary) (fuelarc.com)
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A 2025 Tesla Model 3 in Full-Self Driving mode drives off of a rural road, clips a tree, loses a tire, flips over, and comes to rest on its roof. Luckily, the driver is alive and well, able to post about it on social media.

I just don't see how this technology could possibly be ready to power an autonomous taxi service by the end of next week.

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[–] 13 points 1 year ago (4 children)

To put your number into perspective, if it only failed 1 time in every hundred miles, it would kill you multiple times a week with the average commute distance.

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  • [–] [S] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Someone who doesn't understand math downvoted you. This is the right framework to understand autonomy, the failure rate needs to be astonishingly low for the product to have any non-negative value. So far, Tesla has not demonstrated non-negative value in a credible way.

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  • [–] -5 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    You are trying to judge the self driving feature in a vacuum. And you can't do that. You need to compare it to any alternatives. And for automotive travel, the alternative to FSD is to continue to have everyone drive manually. Turns out, most clowns doing that are statistically worse at it than even FSD, (as bad as it is). So, FSD doesn't need to be perfect-- it just needs to be a bit better than what the average driver can do driving manually. And the last time I saw anything about that, FSD was that "bit better" than you statistically.

    FSD isn't perfect. No such system will ever be perfect. But, the goal isn't perfect, it just needs to be better than you.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    FSD isn't perfect. No such system will ever be perfect. But, the goal isn't perfect, it just needs to be better than you.

    Yeah people keep bringing that up as a counter arguement but I'm pretty certain humans don't swerve off a perfectly straight road into a tree all that often.

    So unless you have numbers to suggest that humans are less safe than FSD then you're being equally obtuse.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    A simple google search, (which YOU could have done yourself), shows it's abut 1 in 1.5 million miles driven per accident with FSD vs 1 in 700,000 miles driven for mechanical cars. I'm no Teslastan, (I think they are over priced and deliberately for rich people only), but that's an improvement, a noticeable improvement.

    And as a an old retired medic who has done his share of car accidents over nearly 20 years-- Yes, yes humans swerve off of perfectly straight roads and hit trees and anything else in the way also. And do so at a higher rate.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Humans do swerve off perfectly straight roads into trees, I know because I've done it!

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    ..It absolutely fails miserably fairly often and would likely crash that frequently without human intervention, though. Not to the extent here, where there isn't even time for human intervention, but I frequently had to take over when I used to use it (post v13)

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Even with the distances I drive and I barely drive my car anywhere since covid, I'd probably only last about a month before the damn thing killed me.

    Even ignoring fatalities and injuries, I would still have to deal with the fact that my car randomly wrecked itself, which has to be a financial headache.

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