A 2025 Tesla Model 3 in Full-Self Driving mode drives off of a rural road, clips a tree, loses a tire, flips over, and comes to rest on its roof. Luckily, the driver is alive and well, able to post about it on social media.

I just don't see how this technology could possibly be ready to power an autonomous taxi service by the end of next week.

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[–] 102 points 1 year ago (6 children)

The worst part is that this problem has already been solved by using LIDAR. Vegas had fully self-driving cars that I saw perform flawlessly, because they were manufactured by a company that doesn’t skimp on tech and rip people off.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Are those the ones that you can completely immobilize with a traffic cone?

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  • [–] [S] 29 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Probably Zoox, but conceptually similar, LiDAR backed.

    You can immobilize them by setting anything large on them. Your purse, a traffic cone, a person :)

    Probably makes sense to be a little cautious with the gas pedal when there is an anything on top the vehicle.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    I wouldn't really called it a solved problem when waymo with lidar is crashing into physical objects

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/waymo-recalls-1200-robotaxis-after-cars-crash-into-chains-gates-and-utility-poles/ar-AA1EMVTF

    NHTSA stated that the crashes “involved collisions with clearly visible objects that a competent driver would be expected to avoid.” The agency is continuing its investigation.

    It'd probably be better to say that Lidar is the path to solving these problems, or a tool that can help solve it. But not solved.

    Just because you see a car working perfectly, doesn't mean it always is working perfectly.

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    [–] 63 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    "It crashed!"

    "Yes but it did it all by itself!"

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  • [–] 47 points 1 year ago (36 children)

    The car made a fatal decision faster than any human could possibly correct it. Tesla’s idea that drivers can “supervise” these systems is, at this point, nothing more than a legal loophole.

    What I don't get is how this false advertising for years hasn't caused Tesla bankruptcy already?

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Because the US is an insane country where you can straight up just break the law and as long as you're rich enough you don't even get a slap on the wrist. If some small startup had done the same thing they'd have been shut down.

    What I don't get is why teslas aren't banned all over the world for being so fundamentally unsafe.

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    [–] 36 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Anything outside of a freshly painted and paved LA roads at high noon while it's sunny isn't ready for self drivings it seems

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I use autopilot all the time on my boat. No way in hell I'd trust it in a car. They all occasionally get suicidal. Mine likes to lull you into a sense of false security, then take a sharp turn into a channel marker or cargo ship at the last second.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    Isn't there a plane whose autopilot famously keeps trying to crash into the ground. The general advice is to just not let it do that, whenever it looks like it's about to crash into the ground, pull up instead.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago

    All the other answers here are wrong. It was the Boeing 737-Max.

    They fit bigger, more fuel efficient engines on it that changed the flight characteristics, compared to previous 737s. And so rather than have pilots recertify on this as a new model (lots of flight hours, can't switch back), they designed software to basically make the aircraft seem to behave like the old model.

    And so a bug in the cheaper version of the software, combined with a faulty sensor, would cause the software to take over and try to override the pilots and dive downward instead of pulling up. Two crashes happened within 5 months, to aircraft that were pretty much brand new.

    It was grounded for a while as Boeing fixed the software and hardware issues, and, more importantly, updated all the training and reference materials for pilots so that they were aware of this basically secret setting that could kill everyone.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    They have auto pilot on boats? I never even thought about that existing. Makes sense, just never heard of it until just now!

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    This represents the danger of expecting driver override to avoid accidents. If the driver has to be prepared enough to take control in an accident like this AT ALL TIMES, then the driver is required to be more engaged then they would be if they were just driving manually, because they have to be constantly anticipating not just what other hazards (drivers, pedestrians,…) might be doing, they have to be anticipating in what ways their own vehicle may be trying to kill them.

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    [–] 24 points 1 year ago

    Full Self-Destruct

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    [–] 22 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    self driving is the future, but im glad im not a beta tester.

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    [–] 16 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I am never getting into a self driving car. I don't understand why we are investing money into this technology when people can already drive cars on their own, and we should be moving towards robust public transportation systems anyway. A waste of time and resources to... what exactly? Stare at your phone for a few extra minutes a day? Work from home and every city having robust electric transit systems is what the future is supposed to be.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Back when I still believed, I was excited because I wanted get in my car and take a 90-minute nap until I arrived at work.

    With public transportation, you can only be half-asleep or you'll miss your stop.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago

    I used to dream of watching a movie then falling asleep in bed while my car drove the 8 hours to my folks' house.

    But I'd want that beast to be bristling with sensors of every kind. None of this "cameras only" idiocy.

    Someday. Maybe.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I have a 45 minute high speed train commute to a busy end-of-line station. I can sleep, read, work, or just stare out the window and think.

    Same commute is probably twice as long by car during rush hour.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago*

    I wish I lived in a place that took rail infrastructure seriously. But all our trains appear to be built out of sheet iron and about four nails, oll movement is accompanied with eeeeeeeeeccccchhhhhhhheeeeeekkkkkkkscccreeeeeeeekkkkeeeeek

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    [–] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I have visions of Elon sitting in his lair, stroking his cat, and using his laptop to cause this crash. /s

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    [–] 13 points 1 year ago*

    For no reason?

    They are running proprietary software in the car that people don't even know what is happening in background of. Every electric car needs to be turned into an open source car so that the car cannot be tampered with, no surveillancing, etc etc

    Everyone should advocate for that because the alternative is this with Tesla. And I know nobody wants this happening to other car manufacturers cars as well

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I just don't see how this technology could possibly be ready to power an autonomous taxi service by the end of next week

    That's because it won't, that's because Elmo musk is gasp a liar. Always has been. That robo taxi is actuyab older lie he used a couple of years prior, but he dusted it lfft and re-used it.

    Anytime Elmo says that he's confident they can do it now, he means that they're nowhere near a real product. Anytime he says "next year" it means that it won't ever happen. Anytime he says that they alrethave a product, it just needs to me produced, it means that it'll never happy

    He is a vaporware con man who has been cheating people (and mostly the US government) out of billions

    Literally look at all of his promises over the last decade, you start seeing patterns. It's always almost there.

    SpaceX, arguay his most successful company that he actually did with his leadership is a shit show of lies. According to him we'd be having colonies on Mars by now, it's what he took 3 billion dollars in funding for, and he literally isn't at 1% of that. Yet, he keeps claiming, within a few years now! Three billion dollars and he managed to blow up a banana over the Indian ocean, and obliterate a launch pad

    If I commit fraud in the thousands, take thousands and then don't deliver, I go to jail. He does it with countless billions and he's still out there. Bit alas, his behavior finally is catching up with him, Tesla is going off a cliff bow that nobody wants to drive a Nazi brick anymore

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    [–] 11 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Why someone will be a passenger in self-driving vehicle? They know that they are a test subjects, part of a "Cartrial" (or whatever should be called)? Self-Driving is not reliable and not necessery. Too much money is invested in something that is "Low priority to have". There are prefectly fast and saf self-driving solutions like High-speed Trains.

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    [–] 10 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I fear the day I’m on the receiving end of a “glitch.” It’s ridiculous that anyone can think these are safe after how many of these videos I’ve seen.

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    [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    Elon took the wheel because that person made a mean tweet about him

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    "I'm confident that Save full self driving (SFSD) will be ready next year"

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