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[–] 64 points 1 year ago (33 children)

And yet we get banned for talking about the solution.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Well that's the power of federation.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Except… when most of the action happens in one spot.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    Not if they keep having terrorist moderators

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    We get banned for talking about increasing taxes on the wealthy through like progressive tax policy?

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Senseless killing is a superficial solution. Organization is the sustainable, but less glamurous one.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (9 children)

    That won’t ever work in the US.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (8 children)

    Not with that attitude. Seems like MAGA succeeded in organizing sufficiently.

    What are you gonna do? Kill all CEOs? And then? Kill all politicians? And then? Police? Military? Dissidents? Do you just keep killing? How do you handle the resulting societal trauma?

    How exactly do you think any of that can achieve sustainable, progressive change?

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

    Whatever it takes, and peaceful solutions have proven ineffective for decades.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    So what do you propose? What are the logistics of it? How do you organize to take out enough systems to take over? What do you do afterwards?

    Life isn't some fantastical action story, it's the incredibly complex reality we all live in where a single person cannot fathom all the variables therein. You are not trying to understand, you are not trying to be effective, you're just circle jerking in your fantasy world. And as long as many people keep doing that, living in some kind of hyper-real abstraction of reality, the people actually smart enough to organize and get into power will be able to do whatever they want. You're just another enabler.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    All you have is “organize” or “awareness.” Your action plan is as circle jerky as ours. My guess is you like the direction the country is going in.

    My personal solution is to get out of the house and watch it burn from the neighbor’s yard.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (4 children)

    I don't live in your fash country and no, I absolutely despise the way your country is going in and pulling the rest of the world into hell :)

    What I have is political activism in a leftist party where I am helping get new members and organizing various events teaching about democracy and its tools, amongst other things, as well as supporting other groups and bettering the local community.

    What you have is fear and a desire to feel good about yourself whilst doing and achieving nothing. You'd rather fuck off than pull through on your mighty words - that's also called cowardice.

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    Did peaceful protest and peaceful organizing stop fascism last time in your country? And you say I live in a fantasy, while spitting on the millions who died to prevent a fascist (from your country no less) by saying that "peaceful protest/organizing" is somehow less fantastical solution to that problem. Have you no shame, or humility for history, let alone your own country?

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    Must be nice to live in a country that isn’t fascist. Must be nice to mock people suffering through fascism while you don’t have any idea what it’s like. Must be nice to sit in Austria and OBSESS about a country being taken over by fascism and blame everyone for it.

    You’re so fucking pathetic.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Senseless killing is a superficial solution. Organization is the sustainable, but less glamorous one.

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    I agree with the premise, it just doesn't change anything. Change needs to be political, and as long as you keep the neoliberal fuckwits and fascists in power, there will always be enough parasites to fill the empty place.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Change needs to be cultural. So long as we live in our current cultural distinctions of "mine and thine" instead of some sort of collaborative being then this will keep on happening.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Untrue, naked violence has solved more conflicts in this world than anything else so yeah

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    That is simply not true. Violence is the last resort, and many movements were successful before that. Violence can be effective, but needs to be measured. You must get people on your side, and you won't achieve that through murder.

    Of course it's more complicated, but in general, to effect lasting change, you need widespread support and a good narrative, just look at MAGA. They didn't kill people to get into power, they were elected. Now that they are in power, they have legitimacy and can start disposing of the undesirables however they want, slowly turning up the heat.

    You will rarely achieve love through hate.

    https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2019/02/why-nonviolent-resistance-beats-violent-force-in-effecting-social-political-change/

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_movement_impact_theory

    https://kinginstitute.stanford.edu/nonviolence

    https://activisthandbook.org/tactics/nonviolent-resistance

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