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[β] drq@mastodon.ml 108 points 1 year ago* (1 child) @Natanox Seems like NixOS replaced Arch as both a local extremist cult and the most effective newbie repellent. permalink fedilink source hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Grenfur@lemm.ee 73 points 1 year ago (4 children) What's funny to me here is that, as a long time Arch user, I have been considering switching to NixOS. One of the most terrifying thoughts to me is that after using the same Arch install for 2 years I will spend ages trying to recreate it if I ever have to. Oh, that and Nix letting you test packages seems like a cool feature. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [β] harsh3466@lemmy.ml 42 points 1 year ago (2 children) I've been on arch around a year now and also considered the jump to NixOS. I was actually dual booting it with arch for awhile and I found pretty quickly that the shit documentation was a huge turn off for me. I ended up nuking the nix partition and reclaiming it for arch. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] Grenfur@lemm.ee 41 points 1 year ago* (2 children) This is my biggest issue. I am utterly spoiled to the exquisiteness that is Arch's Wiki... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 19 points 1 year ago (2 children) I mean the Arch wiki mostly works on NixOS too. The problem with NixOS documentation is that there aren't many examples for the Nix language itself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] someacnt@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago (2 children) What is the Nix language like? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] grandma@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 year ago (1 child) If Haskell and json had a baby permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] someacnt@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago Hmm, that sounds more like dhall permalink fedilink source parent [β] nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 year ago* Terrible. Unless you like Haskell, DSLs, and the like. permalink fedilink source parent [β] Cenzorrll@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) I've found that the Arch wiki works for most distros if you know how to translate it. There have been multiple times I've searched how to do something or how to fix something in Linux and the only useful result is an arch forum or wiki. All I had to do is translate the steps for debian/ubuntu/opensuse/fedora/rpiOS, etc. The process was usually "search this error" > "this part" isn't working, search "this part error" > arch forum showing steps to fix. Search "where the fuck is this file in ". Get "it's usually here, here, or over here", then do arch steps. Then there's opensuse, and there's fucking camelcase capitals in their packages (NetworkManager? Seriously?) so I have to Google "opensuse <command/application> package" like a fucking rube. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 2 points 1 year ago Yeah one nice thing about nixos is that their package search website is really good. You can also search for config options with examples. permalink fedilink source parent [β] harsh3466@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago Arch wiki is the documentation gold standard permalink fedilink source parent [β] traches@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago (1 child) That and the need to learn a bespoke, weird programming language that will only ever be useful for this one thing have really turned me off of that distro. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] harsh3466@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago Definitely. Why not use something off the shelf! That by itself would make it much more approachable permalink fedilink source parent [β] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 11 points 1 year ago The nice thing is that NixOS will keep your setup and all your tweaks if you ever need to reinstall. It's designed to solve that exact problem. One way of switching over would be to carry over your homedir and just starting with migrating packages and config as a first step. permalink fedilink source parent [β] BastingChemina@slrpnk.net 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) I was in the same boat two years ago. What I did is that I've setup a VM with NixOS in it to play with, learn the language and tweak the configuration file. The great thing about NixOS is that once I was feeling confident enough to switch I installed NixOS on bare metal, loaded the configuration file I prepared in the VM and I instantly had everything installed and running. (Except for the NVidia drivers, fuck nvidia) Since then I've stayed in nixos and I'm not looking back. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Grenfur@lemm.ee 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) This would likely be the plan. This is solid advice really for anyone swapping distros really. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] axEl7fB5@lemmy.cafe 1 point 1 year ago If you have more time like me, you can just "fuck it we ball" and install NixOS and wipe your drive permalink fedilink source parent [β] AugustWest@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago I am about to switch away from arch that I installed 5 years ago. It's a daunting thought isn't it? permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Grenfur@lemm.ee 73 points 1 year ago (4 children) What's funny to me here is that, as a long time Arch user, I have been considering switching to NixOS. One of the most terrifying thoughts to me is that after using the same Arch install for 2 years I will spend ages trying to recreate it if I ever have to. Oh, that and Nix letting you test packages seems like a cool feature. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [β] harsh3466@lemmy.ml 42 points 1 year ago (2 children) I've been on arch around a year now and also considered the jump to NixOS. I was actually dual booting it with arch for awhile and I found pretty quickly that the shit documentation was a huge turn off for me. I ended up nuking the nix partition and reclaiming it for arch. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] Grenfur@lemm.ee 41 points 1 year ago* (2 children) This is my biggest issue. I am utterly spoiled to the exquisiteness that is Arch's Wiki... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 19 points 1 year ago (2 children) I mean the Arch wiki mostly works on NixOS too. The problem with NixOS documentation is that there aren't many examples for the Nix language itself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] someacnt@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago (2 children) What is the Nix language like? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] grandma@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 year ago (1 child) If Haskell and json had a baby permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] someacnt@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago Hmm, that sounds more like dhall permalink fedilink source parent [β] nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 year ago* Terrible. Unless you like Haskell, DSLs, and the like. permalink fedilink source parent [β] Cenzorrll@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) I've found that the Arch wiki works for most distros if you know how to translate it. There have been multiple times I've searched how to do something or how to fix something in Linux and the only useful result is an arch forum or wiki. All I had to do is translate the steps for debian/ubuntu/opensuse/fedora/rpiOS, etc. The process was usually "search this error" > "this part" isn't working, search "this part error" > arch forum showing steps to fix. Search "where the fuck is this file in ". Get "it's usually here, here, or over here", then do arch steps. Then there's opensuse, and there's fucking camelcase capitals in their packages (NetworkManager? Seriously?) so I have to Google "opensuse <command/application> package" like a fucking rube. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 2 points 1 year ago Yeah one nice thing about nixos is that their package search website is really good. You can also search for config options with examples. permalink fedilink source parent [β] harsh3466@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago Arch wiki is the documentation gold standard permalink fedilink source parent [β] traches@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago (1 child) That and the need to learn a bespoke, weird programming language that will only ever be useful for this one thing have really turned me off of that distro. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] harsh3466@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago Definitely. Why not use something off the shelf! That by itself would make it much more approachable permalink fedilink source parent [β] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 11 points 1 year ago The nice thing is that NixOS will keep your setup and all your tweaks if you ever need to reinstall. It's designed to solve that exact problem. One way of switching over would be to carry over your homedir and just starting with migrating packages and config as a first step. permalink fedilink source parent [β] BastingChemina@slrpnk.net 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) I was in the same boat two years ago. What I did is that I've setup a VM with NixOS in it to play with, learn the language and tweak the configuration file. The great thing about NixOS is that once I was feeling confident enough to switch I installed NixOS on bare metal, loaded the configuration file I prepared in the VM and I instantly had everything installed and running. (Except for the NVidia drivers, fuck nvidia) Since then I've stayed in nixos and I'm not looking back. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Grenfur@lemm.ee 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) This would likely be the plan. This is solid advice really for anyone swapping distros really. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] axEl7fB5@lemmy.cafe 1 point 1 year ago If you have more time like me, you can just "fuck it we ball" and install NixOS and wipe your drive permalink fedilink source parent [β] AugustWest@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago I am about to switch away from arch that I installed 5 years ago. It's a daunting thought isn't it? permalink fedilink source parent
[β] harsh3466@lemmy.ml 42 points 1 year ago (2 children) I've been on arch around a year now and also considered the jump to NixOS. I was actually dual booting it with arch for awhile and I found pretty quickly that the shit documentation was a huge turn off for me. I ended up nuking the nix partition and reclaiming it for arch. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] Grenfur@lemm.ee 41 points 1 year ago* (2 children) This is my biggest issue. I am utterly spoiled to the exquisiteness that is Arch's Wiki... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 19 points 1 year ago (2 children) I mean the Arch wiki mostly works on NixOS too. The problem with NixOS documentation is that there aren't many examples for the Nix language itself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] someacnt@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago (2 children) What is the Nix language like? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] grandma@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 year ago (1 child) If Haskell and json had a baby permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] someacnt@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago Hmm, that sounds more like dhall permalink fedilink source parent [β] nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 year ago* Terrible. Unless you like Haskell, DSLs, and the like. permalink fedilink source parent [β] Cenzorrll@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) I've found that the Arch wiki works for most distros if you know how to translate it. There have been multiple times I've searched how to do something or how to fix something in Linux and the only useful result is an arch forum or wiki. All I had to do is translate the steps for debian/ubuntu/opensuse/fedora/rpiOS, etc. The process was usually "search this error" > "this part" isn't working, search "this part error" > arch forum showing steps to fix. Search "where the fuck is this file in ". Get "it's usually here, here, or over here", then do arch steps. Then there's opensuse, and there's fucking camelcase capitals in their packages (NetworkManager? Seriously?) so I have to Google "opensuse <command/application> package" like a fucking rube. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 2 points 1 year ago Yeah one nice thing about nixos is that their package search website is really good. You can also search for config options with examples. permalink fedilink source parent [β] harsh3466@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago Arch wiki is the documentation gold standard permalink fedilink source parent [β] traches@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago (1 child) That and the need to learn a bespoke, weird programming language that will only ever be useful for this one thing have really turned me off of that distro. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] harsh3466@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago Definitely. Why not use something off the shelf! That by itself would make it much more approachable permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Grenfur@lemm.ee 41 points 1 year ago* (2 children) This is my biggest issue. I am utterly spoiled to the exquisiteness that is Arch's Wiki... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 19 points 1 year ago (2 children) I mean the Arch wiki mostly works on NixOS too. The problem with NixOS documentation is that there aren't many examples for the Nix language itself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] someacnt@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago (2 children) What is the Nix language like? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] grandma@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 year ago (1 child) If Haskell and json had a baby permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] someacnt@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago Hmm, that sounds more like dhall permalink fedilink source parent [β] nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 year ago* Terrible. Unless you like Haskell, DSLs, and the like. permalink fedilink source parent [β] Cenzorrll@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) I've found that the Arch wiki works for most distros if you know how to translate it. There have been multiple times I've searched how to do something or how to fix something in Linux and the only useful result is an arch forum or wiki. All I had to do is translate the steps for debian/ubuntu/opensuse/fedora/rpiOS, etc. The process was usually "search this error" > "this part" isn't working, search "this part error" > arch forum showing steps to fix. Search "where the fuck is this file in ". Get "it's usually here, here, or over here", then do arch steps. Then there's opensuse, and there's fucking camelcase capitals in their packages (NetworkManager? Seriously?) so I have to Google "opensuse <command/application> package" like a fucking rube. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 2 points 1 year ago Yeah one nice thing about nixos is that their package search website is really good. You can also search for config options with examples. permalink fedilink source parent [β] harsh3466@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago Arch wiki is the documentation gold standard permalink fedilink source parent
[β] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 19 points 1 year ago (2 children) I mean the Arch wiki mostly works on NixOS too. The problem with NixOS documentation is that there aren't many examples for the Nix language itself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] someacnt@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago (2 children) What is the Nix language like? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] grandma@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 year ago (1 child) If Haskell and json had a baby permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] someacnt@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago Hmm, that sounds more like dhall permalink fedilink source parent [β] nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 year ago* Terrible. Unless you like Haskell, DSLs, and the like. permalink fedilink source parent [β] Cenzorrll@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) I've found that the Arch wiki works for most distros if you know how to translate it. There have been multiple times I've searched how to do something or how to fix something in Linux and the only useful result is an arch forum or wiki. All I had to do is translate the steps for debian/ubuntu/opensuse/fedora/rpiOS, etc. The process was usually "search this error" > "this part" isn't working, search "this part error" > arch forum showing steps to fix. Search "where the fuck is this file in ". Get "it's usually here, here, or over here", then do arch steps. Then there's opensuse, and there's fucking camelcase capitals in their packages (NetworkManager? Seriously?) so I have to Google "opensuse <command/application> package" like a fucking rube. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 2 points 1 year ago Yeah one nice thing about nixos is that their package search website is really good. You can also search for config options with examples. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] someacnt@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago (2 children) What is the Nix language like? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] grandma@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 year ago (1 child) If Haskell and json had a baby permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] someacnt@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago Hmm, that sounds more like dhall permalink fedilink source parent [β] nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 year ago* Terrible. Unless you like Haskell, DSLs, and the like. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] grandma@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 year ago (1 child) If Haskell and json had a baby permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] someacnt@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago Hmm, that sounds more like dhall permalink fedilink source parent
[β] someacnt@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago Hmm, that sounds more like dhall permalink fedilink source parent
[β] nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 year ago* Terrible. Unless you like Haskell, DSLs, and the like. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Cenzorrll@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) I've found that the Arch wiki works for most distros if you know how to translate it. There have been multiple times I've searched how to do something or how to fix something in Linux and the only useful result is an arch forum or wiki. All I had to do is translate the steps for debian/ubuntu/opensuse/fedora/rpiOS, etc. The process was usually "search this error" > "this part" isn't working, search "this part error" > arch forum showing steps to fix. Search "where the fuck is this file in ". Get "it's usually here, here, or over here", then do arch steps. Then there's opensuse, and there's fucking camelcase capitals in their packages (NetworkManager? Seriously?) so I have to Google "opensuse <command/application> package" like a fucking rube. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 2 points 1 year ago Yeah one nice thing about nixos is that their package search website is really good. You can also search for config options with examples. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 2 points 1 year ago Yeah one nice thing about nixos is that their package search website is really good. You can also search for config options with examples. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] harsh3466@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago Arch wiki is the documentation gold standard permalink fedilink source parent
[β] traches@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago (1 child) That and the need to learn a bespoke, weird programming language that will only ever be useful for this one thing have really turned me off of that distro. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] harsh3466@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago Definitely. Why not use something off the shelf! That by itself would make it much more approachable permalink fedilink source parent
[β] harsh3466@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago Definitely. Why not use something off the shelf! That by itself would make it much more approachable permalink fedilink source parent
[β] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 11 points 1 year ago The nice thing is that NixOS will keep your setup and all your tweaks if you ever need to reinstall. It's designed to solve that exact problem. One way of switching over would be to carry over your homedir and just starting with migrating packages and config as a first step. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] BastingChemina@slrpnk.net 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) I was in the same boat two years ago. What I did is that I've setup a VM with NixOS in it to play with, learn the language and tweak the configuration file. The great thing about NixOS is that once I was feeling confident enough to switch I installed NixOS on bare metal, loaded the configuration file I prepared in the VM and I instantly had everything installed and running. (Except for the NVidia drivers, fuck nvidia) Since then I've stayed in nixos and I'm not looking back. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Grenfur@lemm.ee 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) This would likely be the plan. This is solid advice really for anyone swapping distros really. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] axEl7fB5@lemmy.cafe 1 point 1 year ago If you have more time like me, you can just "fuck it we ball" and install NixOS and wipe your drive permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Grenfur@lemm.ee 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) This would likely be the plan. This is solid advice really for anyone swapping distros really. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] axEl7fB5@lemmy.cafe 1 point 1 year ago If you have more time like me, you can just "fuck it we ball" and install NixOS and wipe your drive permalink fedilink source parent
[β] axEl7fB5@lemmy.cafe 1 point 1 year ago If you have more time like me, you can just "fuck it we ball" and install NixOS and wipe your drive permalink fedilink source parent
[β] AugustWest@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago I am about to switch away from arch that I installed 5 years ago. It's a daunting thought isn't it? permalink fedilink source parent