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[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The art and challenge of collage is changing the context. Consider how the Avalanches work is entirely samples - but there’s something there that was not in the constituent parts.

Or video collage. YouTube Poops are another example of that kind of finding something new in what was already there - what about Robotnik’s PINGAS.

I posted a project on c/artshare which is chunks of a Christian courtship manual which I drowned in paint and then chopped out the most fucked up parts from. I don’t think that is something AI would do trained on a model of pop Christian literature - that’s something I a person with context and reactions to that literature would do. An AI can create pictures that might look nice, but they don’t have meaning. Art for me prioritizes meaning. - but I’m the kind of weirdo that burst into tears when I saw the replica of Fountain at the Tate.

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[–] Lumiluz@slrpnk.net 0 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

But you were talking specifically about a static medium, not video or music, which are not static mediums. We were also discussing image gen AI, not video gen etc.

Most people also don't consider video or music edits collage either, and call them something else. Because they use different skills and are different mediums.

Also, you do realize we're still talking about current AI generation right? There doesn't exist an AI that executes processes on it's own (maybe) yet. So your whole thing wasn't relevant either, really, in any way more than saying a piece of paper will spontaneously draw something on itself.

That said, you can, using prompts, training, guidance steps, etc, actually do exactly what you did in a digital format, using a diffusion image generation AI. You can get more specific by using it + Gimp.

Edit: and I mean, you still are using someone else's art to create what you made.

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[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

I guess - ultimately, as a pragmatic/materialist person, I’d like to see something material. An example of good AI art. Something creative, something unique, something conveying some kind of deeper idea. Something like Hannah Höch?

Here’s a current collage project of mine that is maybe 25% done. The design of the coloring pages, the Lisa Frank stickers, the patterns on the paper - these are all not mine in design. But I think they have been demonstrably altered in a way that make them different.

I guess the old adage in literary endeavors is “show, don’t tell.” I want to see someone really use AI as an art form, but I’m just not seeing things that really come across as having much thought in them.

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[–] Lumiluz@slrpnk.net 1 point 1 year ago*

I (and my actual artist wife, whose opinion on this I value more) view AI image generators as a tool.

I'd say akin to a camera. Photography is still an art form today, but you see MANY pictures that aren't art too. Because it's now accessable and easy to use.

AI image generators is much the same, in that it's very accessable, and so you do see a lot of actual slop.

But I've seen some techniques that are either only possible with AI (functional QR code art) or use AI as only part of a process (fractals mixed in with perhaps Photoshop/Krita/Gimp and then hand printed or such).

Of course most importantly, I think, is that an AI image generator doesn't stop people from making art. You are free to do draw, make collage, create sculptures, etc. People who use it purely to make a thing they want to see, are nearly always, if not always, people who wouldn't have wanted to make it themselves in the first place (or can't). Much like how you might get a craving for a pizza but might just get a cheap frozen one rather than making one yourself from scratch (which can be very expensive too).

Unlike the example, if you want a picture of a painting, a piece of paper and a free pencil won't achieve that - you still do need the acrylics (assuming you're not wanting something that has specific colors outside of acrylic paints like tempera), canvas, a stand, and of course, months to years of skill depending on natural talent. Much like it you want a pizza from true scratch, you need to know not only how to proof dough and bake, but grow wheat, husking and milling it, grow tomatoes, turn milk into cheese, cure meat, etc.

Or you can but a frozen pizza created by a machine. It won't be as good, but it'll be pizza and takes a fraction of the time.

Oh, and he's an example of the QR code AI art I mentioned which a human can't do by hand:

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