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"No nation is older than 250" (i.postimg.cc)
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TranscriptA threads post saying "There has never been another nation ever that has existed much beyond 250 years. Not a single one. America's 250th year is 2025. The next 4 years are gonna be pretty interesting considering everything that's already been said." It has a reply saying "My local pub is older than your country".

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A threads post saying "There has never been another nation ever that has existed much beyond 250 years. Not a single one. America's 250th year is 2025. The next 4 years are gonna be pretty interesting considering everything that's already been said." It has a reply saying "My local pub is older than your country".
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[–] 37 points 1 year ago (37 children)

France, Switzerland, england, bavaria, brandenburg, vatican, spain, netherlands, denmark, sweden, portugal

I could go on and on

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    A ha ha ha ha Sweden is fouded in 1994 🤣😂 ouch my stomach hurts! What the hell 😁 I mean at least make it 1894 or something.

    I don't remember anything special in 94?? Maybe we got a borglig regering? But with that logic the USA is only some months old lol.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Oh I can almost see the logic - It's like an append-only log, you only add to it, the original text is still original

    Except amendments can override existing parts, so in reality, the US was born May 7th 1992 and judging by its age and personality, was likely a Vine star for a while.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    vatican

    I'll spot you at least a few of these. But the Vatican was incorporated in 1929 precisely because they needed to delineate between the Italian city of Rome and the Bishopry of the Catholic Church. Italy wasn't a fully unified country until about a decade earlier.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    It was a fully unified country way before 1929, unless you are counting Alto Adige and Trieste as conditio sine qua non to have a fully unified Italy, which I wouldn't.

    As for the Vatican situation, the Italian kingdom completely conquered and annexed the papal state in 1870 (Breccia di Porta Pia).

    In 1929 the Pope formed an alliance with Mussolini to get a state in exchange for the approval of the fascist government from the Church (and other stuff, but that's the gist of it)

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    It was a fully unified country way before 1929, unless you are counting Alto Adige and Trieste as conditio sine qua non to have a fully unified Italy, which I wouldn’t.

    It was a confederacy of loosely associated city states which were sometimes at war with one another going on for centuries.

    I know this opens up "The United States can't claim a full 250 years on account of that frackus in the 1860s" and I'm fine with that. But I will strongly contend that when your city raises an army to try and sack your nation's capital, you are no longer living in a historically contiguous country.

    Naples up and did its own thing several times from the 18th-20th century. Nevermind how many people had to die fighting the Italian Wars of Independence.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (10 children)

    Arguably, I believe America is the oldest constitutional nation.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    San Marino had a constitution in 1600, was a republic a lot longer than that, and it's still an independent republic. So it's very arguable

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    TIL that is even a country

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    It's a small one, but if you're ever in Italy, it might warrant a visit (depending on time and route). The medieval old town built on top of mount Titan is really beautiful and the view from the walls is breathtaking.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Total rubbish. In the 1700s only landowners could vote. Truly universal suffrage wasn't enshrined until 1965, so by your reckoning America is only 60 years old.

    Changes of government don't mean an entirely new country, there's continuity like how France refers to the 1st republic or the current 5th republic. It's still France.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Exactly. By that logic, every time a new political party takes over, America is a new country.

    Although, with MAGA taking power, and completely throwing out the Constitution, the case can be made that we have become a new country.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Changes of government don’t mean an entirely new country...

    Yeah, it kinda does. The words "Country' and "Nation" aren't full synonyms even though people tend to use them interchangeably. A a Country is a political entity while a Nation is focused on the collective identity and shared values of its people.

    In short the Nation of France is old while the Country of France is much younger.

    The definitions honestly feel backward to me but I'm not the person in charge of these things.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    That's just semantics, not any practical distinction.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Do you feel there is no "practical distinction" between 1730 France and 1930 France?

    It's like saying there's no practical distinction between Red and Scarlet. The fact that they are different is why there are separate words. Its the same with Country and Nation.

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