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[–] boonhet@lemm.ee 82 points 1 year ago* (20 children) AI AI AI AI Yawn Wake me up if they figure out how to make this cheap enough to put in a normal person's server. permalink fedilink source hideshow 20 child comments replies: [+] Zip2@feddit.uk 121 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (10 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] peteyestee@feddit.org 53 points 1 year ago Ikr...Dude thinks we're restaurants or something. permalink fedilink source parent [–] umbraroze@slrpnk.net 45 points 1 year ago (4 children) Yeah, when you're a technology enthusiast, it's easy to forget that your average user doesn't have a home server - perhaps they just have a NAS or two. (Kidding aside, I wish more people had NAS boxes. It's pretty disheartening to help someone find old media and they show a giant box of USB sticks and hard drives. In a good day. I do have a USB floppy drive and a DVD drive just in case.) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] KnightontheSun@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (1 child) Hello fellow home labber! I have a home built xpenology box, proxmox server with a dozen vm’s, a hackentosh, and a workstation with 44 cores running linux. Oh, and a usb floppy drive. We are out here. I also like long walks in Oblivion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] neatobuilds@lemmy.today 7 points 1 year ago Man oblivion walks are the best until a crazy woman comes at you trying to steal your soul with a fancy sword permalink fedilink source parent [–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago lol yeah, the lemmy userbase is NOT an accurate sample of the technical aptitude of the general population 😂 permalink fedilink source parent [–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago It's pretty disheartening to help someone find old media and they show a giant box of USB sticks and hard drives. Equally disheartening is knowing that both of those have a shelf-life. Old USB flash drives are more durable than the TLC/QLC cells we use today, but 15 years sitting unpowered in a box doesn't have very good prospects. permalink fedilink source parent [–] notabot@lemm.ee 18 points 1 year ago (2 children) You... you don't? Surely there's some mistake, have you checked down the back of your cupboard? Sometimes they fall down there. Where else do you keep your internet? Appologies, I'm tired and that made more sense in my head. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Zip2@feddit.uk 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BlueKey@fedia.io 17 points 1 year ago Relevant XKCD permalink fedilink source parent [–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 4 points 1 year ago "Normal person" is a modifier of server. It does not state any expectation of every normal person having a server. Instead, it sets expectation that they are talking about servers owned by normal people. I have a server. I am norm.. crap. permalink fedilink source parent [–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago (8 children) You can get a Coral TPU for 40 bucks or so. You can get an AMD APU with a NN-inference-optimized tile for under 200. Training can be done with any relatively modern GPU, with varying efficiency and capacity depending on how much you want to spend. What price point are you trying to hit? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] boonhet@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago (6 children) What price point are you trying to hit? With regards to AI?. None tbh. With this super fast storage I have other cool ideas but I don't think I can get enough bandwidth to saturate it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago With regards to AI?. None tbh. TBH, that might be enough. Stuff like SDXL runs on 4G cards (the trick is using ComfyUI, like 5-10s/it), smaller LLMs reportedly too (haven't tried, not interested). And the reason I'm eyeing a 9070 XT isn't AI it's finally upgrading my GPU, still would be a massive fucking boost for AI workloads. permalink fedilink source parent [–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works -2 points 1 year ago (4 children) You’re willing to pay $none to have hardware ML support for local training and inference? Well, I’ll just say that you’re gonna get what you pay for. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] bassomitron@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (3 children) No, I think they're saying they're not interested in ML/AI. They want this super fast memory available for regular servers for other use cases. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] boonhet@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (2 children) Precisely. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] caseyweederman@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) I have a hard time believing anybody wants AI. I mean, AI as it is being sold to them right now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] boonhet@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago I mean the image generators can be cool and LLMs are great for bouncing ideas off them at 4 AM when everyone else is sleeping. But I can't imagine paying for AI, don't want it integrated into most products, or put a lot of effort into hosting a low parameter model that performs way worse than ChatGPT without a paid plan. So you're exactly right, it's not being sold to me in a way that I would want to pay for it, or invest in hardware resources to host better models. permalink fedilink source parent [–] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 1 point 1 year ago I just use pre-made AI's and write some detailed instructions for them, and then watch them churn out basic documents over hours...I need a better Laptop permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Zip2@feddit.uk 121 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (10 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] peteyestee@feddit.org 53 points 1 year ago Ikr...Dude thinks we're restaurants or something. permalink fedilink source parent [–] umbraroze@slrpnk.net 45 points 1 year ago (4 children) Yeah, when you're a technology enthusiast, it's easy to forget that your average user doesn't have a home server - perhaps they just have a NAS or two. (Kidding aside, I wish more people had NAS boxes. It's pretty disheartening to help someone find old media and they show a giant box of USB sticks and hard drives. In a good day. I do have a USB floppy drive and a DVD drive just in case.) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] KnightontheSun@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (1 child) Hello fellow home labber! I have a home built xpenology box, proxmox server with a dozen vm’s, a hackentosh, and a workstation with 44 cores running linux. Oh, and a usb floppy drive. We are out here. I also like long walks in Oblivion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] neatobuilds@lemmy.today 7 points 1 year ago Man oblivion walks are the best until a crazy woman comes at you trying to steal your soul with a fancy sword permalink fedilink source parent [–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago lol yeah, the lemmy userbase is NOT an accurate sample of the technical aptitude of the general population 😂 permalink fedilink source parent [–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago It's pretty disheartening to help someone find old media and they show a giant box of USB sticks and hard drives. Equally disheartening is knowing that both of those have a shelf-life. Old USB flash drives are more durable than the TLC/QLC cells we use today, but 15 years sitting unpowered in a box doesn't have very good prospects. permalink fedilink source parent [–] notabot@lemm.ee 18 points 1 year ago (2 children) You... you don't? Surely there's some mistake, have you checked down the back of your cupboard? Sometimes they fall down there. Where else do you keep your internet? Appologies, I'm tired and that made more sense in my head. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Zip2@feddit.uk 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BlueKey@fedia.io 17 points 1 year ago Relevant XKCD permalink fedilink source parent [–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 4 points 1 year ago "Normal person" is a modifier of server. It does not state any expectation of every normal person having a server. Instead, it sets expectation that they are talking about servers owned by normal people. I have a server. I am norm.. crap. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] peteyestee@feddit.org 53 points 1 year ago Ikr...Dude thinks we're restaurants or something. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] umbraroze@slrpnk.net 45 points 1 year ago (4 children) Yeah, when you're a technology enthusiast, it's easy to forget that your average user doesn't have a home server - perhaps they just have a NAS or two. (Kidding aside, I wish more people had NAS boxes. It's pretty disheartening to help someone find old media and they show a giant box of USB sticks and hard drives. In a good day. I do have a USB floppy drive and a DVD drive just in case.) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] KnightontheSun@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (1 child) Hello fellow home labber! I have a home built xpenology box, proxmox server with a dozen vm’s, a hackentosh, and a workstation with 44 cores running linux. Oh, and a usb floppy drive. We are out here. I also like long walks in Oblivion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] neatobuilds@lemmy.today 7 points 1 year ago Man oblivion walks are the best until a crazy woman comes at you trying to steal your soul with a fancy sword permalink fedilink source parent [–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago lol yeah, the lemmy userbase is NOT an accurate sample of the technical aptitude of the general population 😂 permalink fedilink source parent [–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago It's pretty disheartening to help someone find old media and they show a giant box of USB sticks and hard drives. Equally disheartening is knowing that both of those have a shelf-life. Old USB flash drives are more durable than the TLC/QLC cells we use today, but 15 years sitting unpowered in a box doesn't have very good prospects. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] KnightontheSun@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (1 child) Hello fellow home labber! I have a home built xpenology box, proxmox server with a dozen vm’s, a hackentosh, and a workstation with 44 cores running linux. Oh, and a usb floppy drive. We are out here. I also like long walks in Oblivion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] neatobuilds@lemmy.today 7 points 1 year ago Man oblivion walks are the best until a crazy woman comes at you trying to steal your soul with a fancy sword permalink fedilink source parent
[–] neatobuilds@lemmy.today 7 points 1 year ago Man oblivion walks are the best until a crazy woman comes at you trying to steal your soul with a fancy sword permalink fedilink source parent
[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago lol yeah, the lemmy userbase is NOT an accurate sample of the technical aptitude of the general population 😂 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago It's pretty disheartening to help someone find old media and they show a giant box of USB sticks and hard drives. Equally disheartening is knowing that both of those have a shelf-life. Old USB flash drives are more durable than the TLC/QLC cells we use today, but 15 years sitting unpowered in a box doesn't have very good prospects. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] notabot@lemm.ee 18 points 1 year ago (2 children) You... you don't? Surely there's some mistake, have you checked down the back of your cupboard? Sometimes they fall down there. Where else do you keep your internet? Appologies, I'm tired and that made more sense in my head. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Zip2@feddit.uk 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BlueKey@fedia.io 17 points 1 year ago Relevant XKCD permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Zip2@feddit.uk 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BlueKey@fedia.io 17 points 1 year ago Relevant XKCD permalink fedilink source parent
[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 4 points 1 year ago "Normal person" is a modifier of server. It does not state any expectation of every normal person having a server. Instead, it sets expectation that they are talking about servers owned by normal people. I have a server. I am norm.. crap. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago (8 children) You can get a Coral TPU for 40 bucks or so. You can get an AMD APU with a NN-inference-optimized tile for under 200. Training can be done with any relatively modern GPU, with varying efficiency and capacity depending on how much you want to spend. What price point are you trying to hit? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] boonhet@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago (6 children) What price point are you trying to hit? With regards to AI?. None tbh. With this super fast storage I have other cool ideas but I don't think I can get enough bandwidth to saturate it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago With regards to AI?. None tbh. TBH, that might be enough. Stuff like SDXL runs on 4G cards (the trick is using ComfyUI, like 5-10s/it), smaller LLMs reportedly too (haven't tried, not interested). And the reason I'm eyeing a 9070 XT isn't AI it's finally upgrading my GPU, still would be a massive fucking boost for AI workloads. permalink fedilink source parent [–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works -2 points 1 year ago (4 children) You’re willing to pay $none to have hardware ML support for local training and inference? Well, I’ll just say that you’re gonna get what you pay for. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] bassomitron@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (3 children) No, I think they're saying they're not interested in ML/AI. They want this super fast memory available for regular servers for other use cases. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] boonhet@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (2 children) Precisely. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] caseyweederman@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) I have a hard time believing anybody wants AI. I mean, AI as it is being sold to them right now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] boonhet@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago I mean the image generators can be cool and LLMs are great for bouncing ideas off them at 4 AM when everyone else is sleeping. But I can't imagine paying for AI, don't want it integrated into most products, or put a lot of effort into hosting a low parameter model that performs way worse than ChatGPT without a paid plan. So you're exactly right, it's not being sold to me in a way that I would want to pay for it, or invest in hardware resources to host better models. permalink fedilink source parent [–] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 1 point 1 year ago I just use pre-made AI's and write some detailed instructions for them, and then watch them churn out basic documents over hours...I need a better Laptop permalink fedilink source parent
[–] boonhet@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago (6 children) What price point are you trying to hit? With regards to AI?. None tbh. With this super fast storage I have other cool ideas but I don't think I can get enough bandwidth to saturate it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago With regards to AI?. None tbh. TBH, that might be enough. Stuff like SDXL runs on 4G cards (the trick is using ComfyUI, like 5-10s/it), smaller LLMs reportedly too (haven't tried, not interested). And the reason I'm eyeing a 9070 XT isn't AI it's finally upgrading my GPU, still would be a massive fucking boost for AI workloads. permalink fedilink source parent [–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works -2 points 1 year ago (4 children) You’re willing to pay $none to have hardware ML support for local training and inference? Well, I’ll just say that you’re gonna get what you pay for. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] bassomitron@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (3 children) No, I think they're saying they're not interested in ML/AI. They want this super fast memory available for regular servers for other use cases. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] boonhet@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (2 children) Precisely. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] caseyweederman@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) I have a hard time believing anybody wants AI. I mean, AI as it is being sold to them right now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] boonhet@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago I mean the image generators can be cool and LLMs are great for bouncing ideas off them at 4 AM when everyone else is sleeping. But I can't imagine paying for AI, don't want it integrated into most products, or put a lot of effort into hosting a low parameter model that performs way worse than ChatGPT without a paid plan. So you're exactly right, it's not being sold to me in a way that I would want to pay for it, or invest in hardware resources to host better models. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago With regards to AI?. None tbh. TBH, that might be enough. Stuff like SDXL runs on 4G cards (the trick is using ComfyUI, like 5-10s/it), smaller LLMs reportedly too (haven't tried, not interested). And the reason I'm eyeing a 9070 XT isn't AI it's finally upgrading my GPU, still would be a massive fucking boost for AI workloads. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works -2 points 1 year ago (4 children) You’re willing to pay $none to have hardware ML support for local training and inference? Well, I’ll just say that you’re gonna get what you pay for. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] bassomitron@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (3 children) No, I think they're saying they're not interested in ML/AI. They want this super fast memory available for regular servers for other use cases. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] boonhet@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (2 children) Precisely. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] caseyweederman@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) I have a hard time believing anybody wants AI. I mean, AI as it is being sold to them right now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] boonhet@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago I mean the image generators can be cool and LLMs are great for bouncing ideas off them at 4 AM when everyone else is sleeping. But I can't imagine paying for AI, don't want it integrated into most products, or put a lot of effort into hosting a low parameter model that performs way worse than ChatGPT without a paid plan. So you're exactly right, it's not being sold to me in a way that I would want to pay for it, or invest in hardware resources to host better models. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bassomitron@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (3 children) No, I think they're saying they're not interested in ML/AI. They want this super fast memory available for regular servers for other use cases. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] boonhet@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (2 children) Precisely. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] caseyweederman@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) I have a hard time believing anybody wants AI. I mean, AI as it is being sold to them right now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] boonhet@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago I mean the image generators can be cool and LLMs are great for bouncing ideas off them at 4 AM when everyone else is sleeping. But I can't imagine paying for AI, don't want it integrated into most products, or put a lot of effort into hosting a low parameter model that performs way worse than ChatGPT without a paid plan. So you're exactly right, it's not being sold to me in a way that I would want to pay for it, or invest in hardware resources to host better models. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] boonhet@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (2 children) Precisely. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] caseyweederman@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) I have a hard time believing anybody wants AI. I mean, AI as it is being sold to them right now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] boonhet@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago I mean the image generators can be cool and LLMs are great for bouncing ideas off them at 4 AM when everyone else is sleeping. But I can't imagine paying for AI, don't want it integrated into most products, or put a lot of effort into hosting a low parameter model that performs way worse than ChatGPT without a paid plan. So you're exactly right, it's not being sold to me in a way that I would want to pay for it, or invest in hardware resources to host better models. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] caseyweederman@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) I have a hard time believing anybody wants AI. I mean, AI as it is being sold to them right now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] boonhet@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago I mean the image generators can be cool and LLMs are great for bouncing ideas off them at 4 AM when everyone else is sleeping. But I can't imagine paying for AI, don't want it integrated into most products, or put a lot of effort into hosting a low parameter model that performs way worse than ChatGPT without a paid plan. So you're exactly right, it's not being sold to me in a way that I would want to pay for it, or invest in hardware resources to host better models. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] boonhet@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago I mean the image generators can be cool and LLMs are great for bouncing ideas off them at 4 AM when everyone else is sleeping. But I can't imagine paying for AI, don't want it integrated into most products, or put a lot of effort into hosting a low parameter model that performs way worse than ChatGPT without a paid plan. So you're exactly right, it's not being sold to me in a way that I would want to pay for it, or invest in hardware resources to host better models. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 1 point 1 year ago I just use pre-made AI's and write some detailed instructions for them, and then watch them churn out basic documents over hours...I need a better Laptop permalink fedilink source parent