▲ 153 ▼ ‘No quick wins’: China has the world’s first operational thorium nuclear reactor (www.scmp.com) submitted 1 year ago by yogthos@lemmygrad.ml to c/technology@hexbear.net 27 comments fedilink hide all child comments https://archive.ph/2nQSh
[+] Hexboare@hexbear.net 59 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] DefinitelyNotAPhone@hexbear.net 67 points 1 year ago (2 children) Not that I'd ever support throwing your work-life balance into the meatgrinder like that, but if I had a job trying to create one of the best potential options for long-term power production while the world was setting itself on fire from fossil fuels I might consider 50 hour work weeks for a bit too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] AtmosphericRiversCuomo@hexbear.net 34 points 1 year ago Yep. I'd do it in a heartbeat. These folks are heroes. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Hexboare@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] KuroXppi@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Hexboare@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] comfy@lemmy.ml 57 points 1 year ago (1 child) My instinct is, "please don't allow sleep deprived people to operate an experimental nuclear reactor, even if they want to." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aeshna_cyanea@lemm.ee 18 points 1 year ago (1 child) (or build one) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Wheaties@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago that's how you get the eldrich, we built it but we don't understand it reactors out of science fiction permalink fedilink source parent [–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml [S] 45 points 1 year ago (2 children) Seems like might be a case of them really wanting to see it work. Most jobs don't really have any meaning beyond a paycheck, but this is a rare case of work being genuinely meaningful and interesting. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Hexboare@hexbear.net 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml [S] 4 points 1 year ago I certainly agree that working this hard is not healthy as a rule. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Lemister@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] GaveUp@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago (1 child) Totally sounds like by choice by the wording permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] KurtVonnegut@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago (1 child) Yes, honestly there is a big difference between being forced to work long hours by a corporation and choosing to work long hours because you are passionate about something, or in a "flow state," or you feel like you have a real stake in the outcome of the project. I am sure during the Space Race there were scientists on both sides pulling insane hours, driven largely by national patriotic pride, which might also be at play here. I don't think there's anything wrong with workers working for long hours as long as 1) it is voluntary, 2) it is safe both physically and mentally, and 3) it is temporary, for only a year or a few years, with an enforced return to a 40-hour work week at some cutoff point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GaveUp@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago (1 child) You forgot to mention job security Imagine working super hard, burning out for a little bit, then getting fired for low performance permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TraschcanOfIdeology@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago burning out for a little bit There's no such thing as "burning out for a little bit" though. Burn out takes about 4 years to recover from. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SamotsvetyVIA@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago (2 children) It's stupid but this is the norm around the world. At my plant, which is not a nuclear plant, most of the engineers and workers can't take a leave and are always "on call" (even though their contract is not an on call contract) until they can get a break once in around 1.5 years because we are technically understaffed. And this isn't even a meaningful plant, if it goes down nothing really happens. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Hexboare@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SamotsvetyVIA@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago* They can definitely hire staff, especially in the US of all places there is no shortage of promising engineers. Very few people get hired to these kinds of plants fully trained, most pick up 90% of their skills on the job. It's just a long process. The real reason, at least for our plant (a plant that has already returned all its investment dividends tenfold, passed its calculated lifespan, and is now just a money printing machine), is that there are chiefly 2 ways (3 in our country, but this isn't about that) that the plant becomes more economical to keep running: process improvements or reduction of labour costs. The sacrifice first comes for maintenance staff, overworking them, then for all other disciplines depending on whats allowed to be gutted by law. Engineers are actually making out in a relatively "favourable" position, since they can directly contribute to process improvements - the company has fewer incentives to let them go. This situation ends in there being a settled number of so-and-so engineers, which is "understaffed" according to your and mine definitions, but is the perfect amount for the line-go-up number-crunchers. permalink fedilink source parent [–] aeshna_cyanea@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) Guessing you're Russian based on the handle but this was also a thing in the Soviet union even in the 30s, there were cases of people wanting to work too much that their boss had to force them to take time off. It just lowers your productivity in the long run permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SamotsvetyVIA@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago Trust me our guys aren't raring to work at all. Most of them aren't citizens and their residency status and their family's lifestyle depend on them being able to hold this job, so they feel obligated to do this. Just classic capitalism things. Also, the plant is not in Russia. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Xiisadaddy@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) Its actually pretty common in China for employers to provide housing accomodations to their employees. So my guess is they had some sort of apartment complex on site that people were using. They werent like sleeping in their offices. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Hexboare@hexbear.net 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Xiisadaddy@lemmygrad.ml 1 point 1 year ago Being an hour and a half away actually makes it make even more sense theyd sleep there to avoid a commute. My guess is the top right building is housing. You have 2 gate houses, one just to the main building and one to that side building. Would make sense if researchers were living in that side building that there would be visitors or maybe even family living with them there that they would want the extra gate for. Since they wouldnt be allowed inside the main building. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DefinitelyNotAPhone@hexbear.net 67 points 1 year ago (2 children) Not that I'd ever support throwing your work-life balance into the meatgrinder like that, but if I had a job trying to create one of the best potential options for long-term power production while the world was setting itself on fire from fossil fuels I might consider 50 hour work weeks for a bit too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] AtmosphericRiversCuomo@hexbear.net 34 points 1 year ago Yep. I'd do it in a heartbeat. These folks are heroes. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Hexboare@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] KuroXppi@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Hexboare@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AtmosphericRiversCuomo@hexbear.net 34 points 1 year ago Yep. I'd do it in a heartbeat. These folks are heroes. permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] comfy@lemmy.ml 57 points 1 year ago (1 child) My instinct is, "please don't allow sleep deprived people to operate an experimental nuclear reactor, even if they want to." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aeshna_cyanea@lemm.ee 18 points 1 year ago (1 child) (or build one) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Wheaties@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago that's how you get the eldrich, we built it but we don't understand it reactors out of science fiction permalink fedilink source parent
[–] aeshna_cyanea@lemm.ee 18 points 1 year ago (1 child) (or build one) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Wheaties@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago that's how you get the eldrich, we built it but we don't understand it reactors out of science fiction permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Wheaties@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago that's how you get the eldrich, we built it but we don't understand it reactors out of science fiction permalink fedilink source parent
[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml [S] 45 points 1 year ago (2 children) Seems like might be a case of them really wanting to see it work. Most jobs don't really have any meaning beyond a paycheck, but this is a rare case of work being genuinely meaningful and interesting. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Hexboare@hexbear.net 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml [S] 4 points 1 year ago I certainly agree that working this hard is not healthy as a rule. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Lemister@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Hexboare@hexbear.net 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml [S] 4 points 1 year ago I certainly agree that working this hard is not healthy as a rule. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml [S] 4 points 1 year ago I certainly agree that working this hard is not healthy as a rule. permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] GaveUp@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago (1 child) Totally sounds like by choice by the wording permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] KurtVonnegut@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago (1 child) Yes, honestly there is a big difference between being forced to work long hours by a corporation and choosing to work long hours because you are passionate about something, or in a "flow state," or you feel like you have a real stake in the outcome of the project. I am sure during the Space Race there were scientists on both sides pulling insane hours, driven largely by national patriotic pride, which might also be at play here. I don't think there's anything wrong with workers working for long hours as long as 1) it is voluntary, 2) it is safe both physically and mentally, and 3) it is temporary, for only a year or a few years, with an enforced return to a 40-hour work week at some cutoff point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GaveUp@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago (1 child) You forgot to mention job security Imagine working super hard, burning out for a little bit, then getting fired for low performance permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TraschcanOfIdeology@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago burning out for a little bit There's no such thing as "burning out for a little bit" though. Burn out takes about 4 years to recover from. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] KurtVonnegut@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago (1 child) Yes, honestly there is a big difference between being forced to work long hours by a corporation and choosing to work long hours because you are passionate about something, or in a "flow state," or you feel like you have a real stake in the outcome of the project. I am sure during the Space Race there were scientists on both sides pulling insane hours, driven largely by national patriotic pride, which might also be at play here. I don't think there's anything wrong with workers working for long hours as long as 1) it is voluntary, 2) it is safe both physically and mentally, and 3) it is temporary, for only a year or a few years, with an enforced return to a 40-hour work week at some cutoff point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GaveUp@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago (1 child) You forgot to mention job security Imagine working super hard, burning out for a little bit, then getting fired for low performance permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TraschcanOfIdeology@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago burning out for a little bit There's no such thing as "burning out for a little bit" though. Burn out takes about 4 years to recover from. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] GaveUp@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago (1 child) You forgot to mention job security Imagine working super hard, burning out for a little bit, then getting fired for low performance permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TraschcanOfIdeology@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago burning out for a little bit There's no such thing as "burning out for a little bit" though. Burn out takes about 4 years to recover from. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TraschcanOfIdeology@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago burning out for a little bit There's no such thing as "burning out for a little bit" though. Burn out takes about 4 years to recover from. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SamotsvetyVIA@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago (2 children) It's stupid but this is the norm around the world. At my plant, which is not a nuclear plant, most of the engineers and workers can't take a leave and are always "on call" (even though their contract is not an on call contract) until they can get a break once in around 1.5 years because we are technically understaffed. And this isn't even a meaningful plant, if it goes down nothing really happens. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Hexboare@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SamotsvetyVIA@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago* They can definitely hire staff, especially in the US of all places there is no shortage of promising engineers. Very few people get hired to these kinds of plants fully trained, most pick up 90% of their skills on the job. It's just a long process. The real reason, at least for our plant (a plant that has already returned all its investment dividends tenfold, passed its calculated lifespan, and is now just a money printing machine), is that there are chiefly 2 ways (3 in our country, but this isn't about that) that the plant becomes more economical to keep running: process improvements or reduction of labour costs. The sacrifice first comes for maintenance staff, overworking them, then for all other disciplines depending on whats allowed to be gutted by law. Engineers are actually making out in a relatively "favourable" position, since they can directly contribute to process improvements - the company has fewer incentives to let them go. This situation ends in there being a settled number of so-and-so engineers, which is "understaffed" according to your and mine definitions, but is the perfect amount for the line-go-up number-crunchers. permalink fedilink source parent [–] aeshna_cyanea@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) Guessing you're Russian based on the handle but this was also a thing in the Soviet union even in the 30s, there were cases of people wanting to work too much that their boss had to force them to take time off. It just lowers your productivity in the long run permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SamotsvetyVIA@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago Trust me our guys aren't raring to work at all. Most of them aren't citizens and their residency status and their family's lifestyle depend on them being able to hold this job, so they feel obligated to do this. Just classic capitalism things. Also, the plant is not in Russia. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Hexboare@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SamotsvetyVIA@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago* They can definitely hire staff, especially in the US of all places there is no shortage of promising engineers. Very few people get hired to these kinds of plants fully trained, most pick up 90% of their skills on the job. It's just a long process. The real reason, at least for our plant (a plant that has already returned all its investment dividends tenfold, passed its calculated lifespan, and is now just a money printing machine), is that there are chiefly 2 ways (3 in our country, but this isn't about that) that the plant becomes more economical to keep running: process improvements or reduction of labour costs. The sacrifice first comes for maintenance staff, overworking them, then for all other disciplines depending on whats allowed to be gutted by law. Engineers are actually making out in a relatively "favourable" position, since they can directly contribute to process improvements - the company has fewer incentives to let them go. This situation ends in there being a settled number of so-and-so engineers, which is "understaffed" according to your and mine definitions, but is the perfect amount for the line-go-up number-crunchers. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SamotsvetyVIA@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago* They can definitely hire staff, especially in the US of all places there is no shortage of promising engineers. Very few people get hired to these kinds of plants fully trained, most pick up 90% of their skills on the job. It's just a long process. The real reason, at least for our plant (a plant that has already returned all its investment dividends tenfold, passed its calculated lifespan, and is now just a money printing machine), is that there are chiefly 2 ways (3 in our country, but this isn't about that) that the plant becomes more economical to keep running: process improvements or reduction of labour costs. The sacrifice first comes for maintenance staff, overworking them, then for all other disciplines depending on whats allowed to be gutted by law. Engineers are actually making out in a relatively "favourable" position, since they can directly contribute to process improvements - the company has fewer incentives to let them go. This situation ends in there being a settled number of so-and-so engineers, which is "understaffed" according to your and mine definitions, but is the perfect amount for the line-go-up number-crunchers. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] aeshna_cyanea@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) Guessing you're Russian based on the handle but this was also a thing in the Soviet union even in the 30s, there were cases of people wanting to work too much that their boss had to force them to take time off. It just lowers your productivity in the long run permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SamotsvetyVIA@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago Trust me our guys aren't raring to work at all. Most of them aren't citizens and their residency status and their family's lifestyle depend on them being able to hold this job, so they feel obligated to do this. Just classic capitalism things. Also, the plant is not in Russia. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SamotsvetyVIA@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago Trust me our guys aren't raring to work at all. Most of them aren't citizens and their residency status and their family's lifestyle depend on them being able to hold this job, so they feel obligated to do this. Just classic capitalism things. Also, the plant is not in Russia. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Xiisadaddy@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) Its actually pretty common in China for employers to provide housing accomodations to their employees. So my guess is they had some sort of apartment complex on site that people were using. They werent like sleeping in their offices. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Hexboare@hexbear.net 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Xiisadaddy@lemmygrad.ml 1 point 1 year ago Being an hour and a half away actually makes it make even more sense theyd sleep there to avoid a commute. My guess is the top right building is housing. You have 2 gate houses, one just to the main building and one to that side building. Would make sense if researchers were living in that side building that there would be visitors or maybe even family living with them there that they would want the extra gate for. Since they wouldnt be allowed inside the main building. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Hexboare@hexbear.net 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Xiisadaddy@lemmygrad.ml 1 point 1 year ago Being an hour and a half away actually makes it make even more sense theyd sleep there to avoid a commute. My guess is the top right building is housing. You have 2 gate houses, one just to the main building and one to that side building. Would make sense if researchers were living in that side building that there would be visitors or maybe even family living with them there that they would want the extra gate for. Since they wouldnt be allowed inside the main building. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Xiisadaddy@lemmygrad.ml 1 point 1 year ago Being an hour and a half away actually makes it make even more sense theyd sleep there to avoid a commute. My guess is the top right building is housing. You have 2 gate houses, one just to the main building and one to that side building. Would make sense if researchers were living in that side building that there would be visitors or maybe even family living with them there that they would want the extra gate for. Since they wouldnt be allowed inside the main building. permalink fedilink source parent