please post any subsequent updates here unless they're huge happenings. i just woke up and half our news front page is updates which is nice but also A Lot and most of these don't have to be their own thread

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[–] 38 points 3 years ago (7 children)

My pet hypothesis is that Putin and Prigozhin were engaging in a bit of play acting to stage Wagner troops for an action against Ukraine (Prigozhin benefits) and illustrate the legal and financial measures that Putin will take against powerful dissenters (Putin benefits).

With 25k troops, there's simply no way Wagner could have succeeded in a coup. The regular army is better equipped and could have severed their supply lines with minimal effort, starving the coup with minimal bloodshed. They could have done this in their own interests, and not necessarily in defense of Putin.

Considering how swiftly Wagner's offices were raided and their assets seized, this affair makes more sense as a morality tale to caution antsy oligarchs than as a military action.

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  • [+] 58 points 3 years ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (5 children)
  • [–] 8 points 3 years ago* (3 children)

    Putin hasn't done anything yet except flee to safety yet, he doesn't personally hold a gun in moscow to hold it as his own. A surrender would mean a civil war in wagner's favor. Currently not at that point of desperation but we are getting there. An interesting situatiuon nevertheless.

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  • [+] 17 points 3 years ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)
  • [–] 16 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Where does this information come from. All I've heard is the Wagner guys aren't heading towards Moscow and some deal was made involving the president of Belarus. Are there specifics that have been made public?

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  • [–] 11 points 3 years ago

    Several news sites are reporting that part of the deal was for Prigozhin to go and live in Belarus. It's not clear whether he's supposed to take the Wagner troops with him, but there are questions about their loyalty to him now, since he may have set them up to be absorbed into the Russian army.

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  • [–] 28 points 3 years ago

    You give too much credit to putin and prigozhin in terms of strategies thinking. Usually when things seem simple they are and in this case it's just short term vision by both sides and signs of weakness in both as well. It's really funny how some people try to spin this situation as "putin staged it all to draw Ukraine into a trap and to show his strength"

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