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Uhhhh China has almost 5x the homelessness as America
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_by_homeless_population
Buddy, you realize you're quoting a source from 2011? Over the past decade GDP/capita in China has more than doubled and the number of people living below the poverty line has dropped from 100 million to less than 1 million.
Do people not check facts anymore? Jesus fucking Christ man. It's like y'all never learned the basic scientific process.
Likewise, do people not cite sources for their own claims?
Heard of Google?
Heard of the burden of proof? Lead by example and Google it first
Besides, providing sources isn't just to support your ideas, but for people to evaluate the quality of your info and gauge your integrity. 101 stuff, but go on lecturing about the scientific process while practicing none of it yourself.
So... You have no counterargument, no source for your 2015 claim, and nothing of value to contribute? Carry on.
You're one of the biggest failures of democracy: democracy assumes people discuss in good faith. Meanwhile, you use decades-old data to provide misinformation while pretending to be informed and follow it up with uncited claims... Because, reasons?
Here, I'll help you Google:
[GDP per capita] https://www.ceicdata.com/en/indicator/china/gdp-per-capita
[Poverty rates] https://openknowledge.worldbank.org/bitstream/handle/10986/37727/9781464818776.pdf?sequence=4&isAllowed=y
[Link between poverty and homelessness] https://pure.hw.ac.uk/ws/portalfiles/portal/7467281/Homelessness_Poverty_FullReport.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiE9fGM8NeAAxXcgv0HHdvWArIQFnoECBgQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1BQARSj9oJ_XIjT4rz1cu_
Where do you think I live?? xDDD
Help me?? lmao Dude, that's your fucking homework. It's late and half-assed so I'll give you a C. Nice try throwing around a 100+ page PDFs around like that means anything. You give a quote with a page number, Mr Scientific Method dude.
Now go forth practicing what you learned today instead of being a giant hypocrite, little grasshopper.
Have you never learned about primary sources? No competent scientific reference format asks for pages except for books (of which these aren't) and papers within conference proceedings (of which these also aren't).
Still waiting for my 2015 source...
Wow. Just wow. You cite a 2011 article, ignoring everything about China's massive growth that has been the topic of international discussion for years and you think it's someone else's job to disabuse you of your own generated self-ignorance brought about by your willful ignorance and your confirmation-bias-driven cherry picking? Did you even bother to check the date on that bottle of copium before swallowing the whole thing?
Fuck off with your undergrad intro to logic bullshit and own up to your mistakes and then go read a fucking book about history that isn't written by European propagandists. No I will not provide you with links.
Buddy, I'm talking homelessness specifically, not just poverty. Show me proof China's reduced homelessness significatly. Because the most recent figure I could find was 2015... where there was an additional 500,000 homeless people from 2011, largely due to exploited migrant labor.
Stop quoting western imperialist sources, china has the least homelessness in the universe
I love not accounting for population size! However, let's see how the countries can be compared when we do:
Uhhhh China has 4x the population of the US
Uhhhh the US has more people in prison than China despite having 4x less people in the country
You can sort the chart to adjust for population:
(last column is homeless/10k)
But 5 is bigger than 4
Why bring up prison, is this a general "which country is worse" discussion?
A lot of homeless people do end up in prison both for all of the anti-homeless laws in various cities. For some folks it may end up being a better option than just outright dying in the streets from lack of food, medicine (love how the richest nation can't put our tax money into anything that actually helps all of us), and/or from the elements. So while your point of bringing up prison population is a valid one. It is still (in part) related to homeless population numbers, just not totally useful by itself.
That being said, I do think that China is actually putting much more effort into dealing with the problem. As bringing people out of poverty/homelessness is crucial to keeping support of the masses. When enough people are just tossed out and can't get help. It will lead to dramatic and very widespread revolts and even civil wars. That is true for any nation, no matter what system is in place. Socialist nations were birthed by such widespread poverty for the many while the few hoarded the wealth and resources. It is kind of one of the main points Marx and other anti-capitalist theorists base their shit on.
Executed people aren't homeless or imprisoned, either.
Discussion is too generous for this circlejerk