โฒ 1712 โผ I see these MFs on a daily basis (lemm.ee) submitted 1 year ago by _carmin@lemm.ee to c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world 738 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[โ] silverlose@lemm.ee 38 points 1 year ago (2 children) I used to think I could just stick to macOS. But I donโt trust the USA and by extension, I donโt trust Apple. Switching to Linux isnโt a choice anymore. Itโs a requirement for freedom. permalink fedilink source hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] rumba@lemmy.zip 16 points 1 year ago (2 children) Yeah, Apple will just cave when necessary. Honestly, even if the USA is removed from the equation, nobody is really safe from any government or corporation. We're only in better and worse condition because no one has done the unthinkable yet. The UK online safety bill, Signal's threat to leave Sweden, France busting activists using Swiss VPN. If you can't host it yourself, secure it yourself, rebuild it yourself, you can't trust businesses and governments to do these things for you in the long run. Hell, it's starting to feel a lot less like freedom and more about the ability to hide, even if you're doing nothing wrong, because someone may eventually decide that what you're doing was wrong. Encrypting your chats to keep them from being sold/mined for government oversight? ILLEGAL! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] silverlose@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago I think youโre 100% correct. With all my Apple stuff I thought we were headed for a Star Trek federation. Instead weโre getting a starship troopers federation ๐ permalink fedilink source parent [โ] fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 year ago The whole doing nothing wrong argument doesn't work when Nazis take over because Nazis will arbitrarily decide that normal things are now deserving of the concentration camp. Basically nobody who is oppressed at any point in history should ever feel like they have nothing to hide. Gay people, women, any minority religious racial Etc are all one Trump tweet away from Guantanamo Bay permalink fedilink source parent [+] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -13 points 1 year ago (2 children) Linux is American by that definition permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 year ago (3 children) I'll bite. How? It's open source software championed by a Finnish academic professor. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [โ] silverlose@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago Yeah that makes zero sense to me permalink fedilink source parent [โ] menemen@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) Lots of the money comes from the US and US companies. But as you said, it is open source. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) US corporations donate to the Linux Foundation, and in fact all the Platinum members of the Linux Foundation (donors of $500k or more/year) are corporations - although I don't think they're all American. But the Linux Foundation has no control over the code, it merely promotes use of Linux. Did you mean something else by, "Lots of money comes from..."? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] menemen@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago That was pretty much what I meant. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago He's now American. Outside of that a lot of Linux is supported by US companies. If boycotting the US was the goal it is going to be very hard. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (1 child) I think by America they pretty clearly meant corporate America and its corporate-owned government, neither of which controls how Linux works. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) I hate to break it to you but Linux is maintained by corporate America. Everything from the Linux foundation to Linux focused companies like Red Hat, Amazon and Microsoft. Sure it is probably better than anything else available but I think it is silly to focus on the region a company is based in when we are talking about international corporations. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago I don't know what argument you're having, but what I said was that the Linux Foundation doesn't have any control over the code. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) Linux focused companies like Microsoft my sides Being a contributor to an open-source project is not the same as actually owning a "commercial" product. They can voice opinions in the mailing lists, but they don't have direct influence. Sure, some maintainers work for those companies, but I would say that's hardly the same. It's sponsorship, and it's welcome pretty much no matter where it comes from in my view. If those companies disappeared overnight, Linux would be fine. Development would be a lot slower, sure, but it wouldn't implode and instantly become worthless like macOS or Windows permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] rumba@lemmy.zip 16 points 1 year ago (2 children) Yeah, Apple will just cave when necessary. Honestly, even if the USA is removed from the equation, nobody is really safe from any government or corporation. We're only in better and worse condition because no one has done the unthinkable yet. The UK online safety bill, Signal's threat to leave Sweden, France busting activists using Swiss VPN. If you can't host it yourself, secure it yourself, rebuild it yourself, you can't trust businesses and governments to do these things for you in the long run. Hell, it's starting to feel a lot less like freedom and more about the ability to hide, even if you're doing nothing wrong, because someone may eventually decide that what you're doing was wrong. Encrypting your chats to keep them from being sold/mined for government oversight? ILLEGAL! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] silverlose@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago I think youโre 100% correct. With all my Apple stuff I thought we were headed for a Star Trek federation. Instead weโre getting a starship troopers federation ๐ permalink fedilink source parent [โ] fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 year ago The whole doing nothing wrong argument doesn't work when Nazis take over because Nazis will arbitrarily decide that normal things are now deserving of the concentration camp. Basically nobody who is oppressed at any point in history should ever feel like they have nothing to hide. Gay people, women, any minority religious racial Etc are all one Trump tweet away from Guantanamo Bay permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] silverlose@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago I think youโre 100% correct. With all my Apple stuff I thought we were headed for a Star Trek federation. Instead weโre getting a starship troopers federation ๐ permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 year ago The whole doing nothing wrong argument doesn't work when Nazis take over because Nazis will arbitrarily decide that normal things are now deserving of the concentration camp. Basically nobody who is oppressed at any point in history should ever feel like they have nothing to hide. Gay people, women, any minority religious racial Etc are all one Trump tweet away from Guantanamo Bay permalink fedilink source parent
[+] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -13 points 1 year ago (2 children) Linux is American by that definition permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 year ago (3 children) I'll bite. How? It's open source software championed by a Finnish academic professor. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [โ] silverlose@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago Yeah that makes zero sense to me permalink fedilink source parent [โ] menemen@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) Lots of the money comes from the US and US companies. But as you said, it is open source. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) US corporations donate to the Linux Foundation, and in fact all the Platinum members of the Linux Foundation (donors of $500k or more/year) are corporations - although I don't think they're all American. But the Linux Foundation has no control over the code, it merely promotes use of Linux. Did you mean something else by, "Lots of money comes from..."? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] menemen@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago That was pretty much what I meant. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago He's now American. Outside of that a lot of Linux is supported by US companies. If boycotting the US was the goal it is going to be very hard. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (1 child) I think by America they pretty clearly meant corporate America and its corporate-owned government, neither of which controls how Linux works. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) I hate to break it to you but Linux is maintained by corporate America. Everything from the Linux foundation to Linux focused companies like Red Hat, Amazon and Microsoft. Sure it is probably better than anything else available but I think it is silly to focus on the region a company is based in when we are talking about international corporations. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago I don't know what argument you're having, but what I said was that the Linux Foundation doesn't have any control over the code. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) Linux focused companies like Microsoft my sides Being a contributor to an open-source project is not the same as actually owning a "commercial" product. They can voice opinions in the mailing lists, but they don't have direct influence. Sure, some maintainers work for those companies, but I would say that's hardly the same. It's sponsorship, and it's welcome pretty much no matter where it comes from in my view. If those companies disappeared overnight, Linux would be fine. Development would be a lot slower, sure, but it wouldn't implode and instantly become worthless like macOS or Windows permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 year ago (3 children) I'll bite. How? It's open source software championed by a Finnish academic professor. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [โ] silverlose@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago Yeah that makes zero sense to me permalink fedilink source parent [โ] menemen@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) Lots of the money comes from the US and US companies. But as you said, it is open source. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) US corporations donate to the Linux Foundation, and in fact all the Platinum members of the Linux Foundation (donors of $500k or more/year) are corporations - although I don't think they're all American. But the Linux Foundation has no control over the code, it merely promotes use of Linux. Did you mean something else by, "Lots of money comes from..."? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] menemen@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago That was pretty much what I meant. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago He's now American. Outside of that a lot of Linux is supported by US companies. If boycotting the US was the goal it is going to be very hard. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] silverlose@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago Yeah that makes zero sense to me permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] menemen@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) Lots of the money comes from the US and US companies. But as you said, it is open source. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) US corporations donate to the Linux Foundation, and in fact all the Platinum members of the Linux Foundation (donors of $500k or more/year) are corporations - although I don't think they're all American. But the Linux Foundation has no control over the code, it merely promotes use of Linux. Did you mean something else by, "Lots of money comes from..."? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] menemen@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago That was pretty much what I meant. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) US corporations donate to the Linux Foundation, and in fact all the Platinum members of the Linux Foundation (donors of $500k or more/year) are corporations - although I don't think they're all American. But the Linux Foundation has no control over the code, it merely promotes use of Linux. Did you mean something else by, "Lots of money comes from..."? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] menemen@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago That was pretty much what I meant. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] menemen@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago That was pretty much what I meant. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 year ago He's now American. Outside of that a lot of Linux is supported by US companies. If boycotting the US was the goal it is going to be very hard. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (1 child) I think by America they pretty clearly meant corporate America and its corporate-owned government, neither of which controls how Linux works. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) I hate to break it to you but Linux is maintained by corporate America. Everything from the Linux foundation to Linux focused companies like Red Hat, Amazon and Microsoft. Sure it is probably better than anything else available but I think it is silly to focus on the region a company is based in when we are talking about international corporations. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago I don't know what argument you're having, but what I said was that the Linux Foundation doesn't have any control over the code. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) Linux focused companies like Microsoft my sides Being a contributor to an open-source project is not the same as actually owning a "commercial" product. They can voice opinions in the mailing lists, but they don't have direct influence. Sure, some maintainers work for those companies, but I would say that's hardly the same. It's sponsorship, and it's welcome pretty much no matter where it comes from in my view. If those companies disappeared overnight, Linux would be fine. Development would be a lot slower, sure, but it wouldn't implode and instantly become worthless like macOS or Windows permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) I hate to break it to you but Linux is maintained by corporate America. Everything from the Linux foundation to Linux focused companies like Red Hat, Amazon and Microsoft. Sure it is probably better than anything else available but I think it is silly to focus on the region a company is based in when we are talking about international corporations. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago I don't know what argument you're having, but what I said was that the Linux Foundation doesn't have any control over the code. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) Linux focused companies like Microsoft my sides Being a contributor to an open-source project is not the same as actually owning a "commercial" product. They can voice opinions in the mailing lists, but they don't have direct influence. Sure, some maintainers work for those companies, but I would say that's hardly the same. It's sponsorship, and it's welcome pretty much no matter where it comes from in my view. If those companies disappeared overnight, Linux would be fine. Development would be a lot slower, sure, but it wouldn't implode and instantly become worthless like macOS or Windows permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago I don't know what argument you're having, but what I said was that the Linux Foundation doesn't have any control over the code. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) Linux focused companies like Microsoft my sides Being a contributor to an open-source project is not the same as actually owning a "commercial" product. They can voice opinions in the mailing lists, but they don't have direct influence. Sure, some maintainers work for those companies, but I would say that's hardly the same. It's sponsorship, and it's welcome pretty much no matter where it comes from in my view. If those companies disappeared overnight, Linux would be fine. Development would be a lot slower, sure, but it wouldn't implode and instantly become worthless like macOS or Windows permalink fedilink source parent
