▲ 1069 ▼ Student protesters dancing at Tiananmen Square before the massacre, Beijing, China, 1989 (lemmy.world) submitted 2 years ago by PugJesus@lemmy.world [M] to c/historyporn@lemmy.world 73 comments fedilink hide all child comments https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests_and_massacre The protests lasted over a month; the massacre ended them in a flood of state-sponsored murder.
[+] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago Jfc it's hard reading each of those children's names, thinking about them each having a family.. permalink fedilink source parent [–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago As bad as it may sound, remember that, during Imperial China, they would all just lose their head, like the Emperor would literally order your head to be cut off. It could've been much worse. There's also the existence of eunuchs in ancient Chinese governments. Having your business chopped off in order to become a member of the leadership in your country takes a different set of values and priorities. permalink fedilink source parent [–] asdfasdfasdf@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (4 children) But before CCP wasn't it ROC, not imperial China? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] asdfasdfasdf@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* It sounds like that's what I'm talking about. It was Imperial -> ROC -> PRC, not Imperial -> PRC. The only progress was ROC. PRC was worse. It's like saying "Oh you don't like Trump fucking up everything in our government so it's way more authoritarian? Well it's much better than when the US was imperial England, so it's still progress." There's a step missing. permalink fedilink source parent [–] PugJesus@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) As much as I despise the PRC, thank you for making this point. It always bothers me when people ignore the progress made in the modern era - things may be horrible now, but goddamn were they worse in the past. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] asdfasdfasdf@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Everything was worse at some point earlier on. That doesnt mean much. PRC came from ROC, so it wasn't progress. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago Jfc it's hard reading each of those children's names, thinking about them each having a family.. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago As bad as it may sound, remember that, during Imperial China, they would all just lose their head, like the Emperor would literally order your head to be cut off. It could've been much worse. There's also the existence of eunuchs in ancient Chinese governments. Having your business chopped off in order to become a member of the leadership in your country takes a different set of values and priorities. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] asdfasdfasdf@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (4 children) But before CCP wasn't it ROC, not imperial China? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] asdfasdfasdf@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* It sounds like that's what I'm talking about. It was Imperial -> ROC -> PRC, not Imperial -> PRC. The only progress was ROC. PRC was worse. It's like saying "Oh you don't like Trump fucking up everything in our government so it's way more authoritarian? Well it's much better than when the US was imperial England, so it's still progress." There's a step missing. permalink fedilink source parent [–] PugJesus@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) As much as I despise the PRC, thank you for making this point. It always bothers me when people ignore the progress made in the modern era - things may be horrible now, but goddamn were they worse in the past. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] asdfasdfasdf@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Everything was worse at some point earlier on. That doesnt mean much. PRC came from ROC, so it wasn't progress. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] asdfasdfasdf@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* It sounds like that's what I'm talking about. It was Imperial -> ROC -> PRC, not Imperial -> PRC. The only progress was ROC. PRC was worse. It's like saying "Oh you don't like Trump fucking up everything in our government so it's way more authoritarian? Well it's much better than when the US was imperial England, so it's still progress." There's a step missing. permalink fedilink source parent [–] PugJesus@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) As much as I despise the PRC, thank you for making this point. It always bothers me when people ignore the progress made in the modern era - things may be horrible now, but goddamn were they worse in the past. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] asdfasdfasdf@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Everything was worse at some point earlier on. That doesnt mean much. PRC came from ROC, so it wasn't progress. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] asdfasdfasdf@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* It sounds like that's what I'm talking about. It was Imperial -> ROC -> PRC, not Imperial -> PRC. The only progress was ROC. PRC was worse. It's like saying "Oh you don't like Trump fucking up everything in our government so it's way more authoritarian? Well it's much better than when the US was imperial England, so it's still progress." There's a step missing. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) As much as I despise the PRC, thank you for making this point. It always bothers me when people ignore the progress made in the modern era - things may be horrible now, but goddamn were they worse in the past. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] asdfasdfasdf@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Everything was worse at some point earlier on. That doesnt mean much. PRC came from ROC, so it wasn't progress. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] asdfasdfasdf@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Everything was worse at some point earlier on. That doesnt mean much. PRC came from ROC, so it wasn't progress. permalink fedilink source parent