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Alternative to discord? (lemmy.world)
submitted 2 years ago by to c/asklemmy@lemmy.world
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I don't really like discord, but my gaming group have been using it for rpg stuff. Chat channels, video calls and easy to setup bots have all been really useful.

But I get the feeling the enshitification is going to get worse, so I was looking for somewhere else to migrate to. The video stuff isn't as important, we could switch easily to other services. But before I start a new campaign, and spend time setting up bots with routines for rolling dice and calculating tables, I'd like to do it somewhere that isn't in talks for an IPO.

I'm not really up on stuff like this, so I don't know if there's some obvious similar choices or an alternative medium that I haven't considered.

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[–] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

Oh, yeah no activitypub isn't meant for private messaging. It's great for things like mastodon and lemmy, but there is zero privacy, it's meant to blast out to anyone who wants to listen. Messaging the best standards right now are Matrix and XMPP.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Well yeah. Revolt is not really E2EE (yet), so it doesn't matter. And it is not impossible to build a private messaging app with ActivityPub, see sup from the dev of Pixelfed. It also seems like some people are trying to get E2EE encrypted DMs in Fediverse to be a thing: https://wedistribute.org/2024/05/encrypted-dms-activitypub/

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Yes, but if you need a truck, use a truck. If you need a car, use a car. They both do similar things, but the reason it's taking a while for that stuff is because the protocol was not built for that in mind. They're two different use cases. You're not the first to have the idea here, and I'm sure you won't be the last. Use each protocol for what they're good at. ActivityPub was designed to be a great social network protocol. Matrix and XMPP were both built to be great secure messaging protocols. Trying to shoehorn either one into a use case it wasn't meant to be results in a subpar experience.

    What would be neat is if the Lemmy Client added a messaging protocol with it, so it could be both a matrix and a lemmy server. Each user gets their own Matrix handle out of the gate, so DMs are actually Matrix DMs. Then you could also open any matrix client with it too. The clients I have no problem with them being dual purpose, the protocols though, those are very specific.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    Okay, yes, I agree. But it wouldn't really hurt to do so, would it?

    The idea of adding a matrix compatible messaging protocol to Lemmy seems too complex and unnecessary to me. Just use some matrix client at that point?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I mean that's my point. Lemmy already has linking to your matrix username, I think the two protocols compliment each other well. Come here to meet people, say hello, DMs can be a quick intro that's open, but if you want to really chat, move over to Matrix.

    I think Revolt then could be adapted to just be another client for Matrix.

    Same thing as Discord and Reddit. They serve two very separate but social goals. Trying to shoehorn one into the other is going to be awkward and cludgy. Instead, use them for what they're best at.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    I tend to think of Matrix more like WhatsApp instead of Discord. The features of Discord really just aren't available in Matrix. Which is why I recommend Revolt (or something like it) instead of Matrix when people ask for alternatives to Discord. It does not look or function the same. Yeah, there are some stuff in common, but not enough to be called similar. It feels like comparing Mastodon with Lemmy.

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